May 29, 2017, 1:21 pm
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Check the current status of aircraft reconfigured (or delivered) with new Polaris seats: http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris...-desktop-4/p/3.
A Polaris Update and Polaris Mod Schedule to indicate the status of specific aircraft are maintained by those that manage the United Airlines Fleet Website.
Except for 773- and 781-operated flights, and those markets selling Premium Plus, Polaris-equipped planes have not been allocated to specific routes. You won't know until approx. 36-48 hours before departure if you'll have a newly reconfigured aircraft, and even then, it may be replaced with a non-retrofitted aircraft.
777-300ER - All 22 aircraft have Polaris (60 seats) and installation of Premium Plus cabins (24 seats) is complete.
767-300ER - As of September 2020, 31 of the 38 aircraft have been reconfigured with the Polaris seats.
- Retrofit is from 3-cabin to 2-cabin with direct-aisle-access seats. No 3-cabin 767s remain in service.
- 76A configuration is 30J/50Y+/134Y, total of 214; fleet to consist of 17 ships (former 3-cabin 767s).
- 76L configuration is 46J/22PE/47Y+/52Y; fleet to consist of 21 ships (18 former 2-cabin 76C and 3 used ships from Hawaiian).
767-400ER - [16 aircraft] None updated yet; modifications put on hold due to Covid-19.
777-200ER - As of September 2020, 46 of the 50 aircraft have been reconfigured with Polaris and Premium Plus seats.
- Configuration is 50 Polaris seats, 32 in the front cabin and 18 in the second cabin (behind 2L/R)
- Configuration is 10 across in economy, with 24 Premium Plus seats, 4686 E+ seats and 156 E seats, with E+ in front economy cabin plus exit rows and bulkhead at 3L/R, i.e., almost the same as current pmCO planes, except with 4 seats in middle section.
- Seat map (v5) on united.com
787-8, 787-9 - As of November 2022, all 787-8/9 are converted or in mod. No chance of flying old configuration anymore.
- 788 configuration has 28 Polaris seats (20 in front cabin, 8 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
- 789 configuration has 48 Polaris seats (32 in front cabin, 16 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
787-10 - 13 787-10s have been delivered in 2020. All come with Polaris and Premium Plus cabins factory-installed. Another 19 should be added by 2024.
FAQ:
Q: Does a Polaris ticket mean the aircraft has the new Polaris seat?
A: No, Polaris is the label UA uses for long haul international business class. It is also the label UA uses for the new seats, so this does create some confusion.
All the 773s and 787-10s are 100% the new seat.
The rest of the long haul fleet in various stages of conversion, see http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris...-desktop-4/p/3
Q: How to tell if my aircraft is the new style Polaris seats?
A: If the unassigned business class section is showing orange seats or all the seats are side-by-side or there is a section for 4 adjacent seats in the middle, this is an old style lie-flat aircreaft
If the unassigned bussines class seats are dark blue seats or the all the seats appear to have direct aisle access, then you aircraft is the new Polaris seat.
You can also look at the FT maintained, United Fleet Site and crosscheck the tail number or check thePolaris Update tab
Q: How to tell if my aircraft has the new PremiumPlus (PP) / Premium Economy seats?
A: If the unassigned seats just behind business class are purple seats or the aircraft is 773 or 787-10, then yes. However, the purple color seat will only show on routes where PP is being sold.
Aircraft with PP seats are being used on some routes but are not being sold as PP. In those cases, the seats are considered to be a part of E+. In those cases, an indicator of PP sold as E+ will be if the first few rows of economy, there are just 2 seats on the sides (with the rest of E+ showing 3 seats).
Q: Will the aircraft I see at booking be the same configuration at flight time?
A: Unfortunately with the fleet in transit, aircraft swaps happen. UA tends to use placeholders until 2 days before travel and even after that last minute swaps do happen.
Q: My flight seat map shows 772 with polaris seats is it a retrofit?
A: Possibly. The flight status page shows the most accurate scheduled aircraft. If a 77W is swapped in, it will list the aircraft as 777-300ER. However, if the 772's seatmap shows blue rectangular boxes in the business class cabin instead of orange "pointy rounds", this would indicate that a retrofit aircraft has been swapped.
See also: United Future/Changed Routes w/ Polaris seats
A Polaris Update and Polaris Mod Schedule to indicate the status of specific aircraft are maintained by those that manage the United Airlines Fleet Website.
Except for 773- and 781-operated flights, and those markets selling Premium Plus, Polaris-equipped planes have not been allocated to specific routes. You won't know until approx. 36-48 hours before departure if you'll have a newly reconfigured aircraft, and even then, it may be replaced with a non-retrofitted aircraft.
777-300ER - All 22 aircraft have Polaris (60 seats) and installation of Premium Plus cabins (24 seats) is complete.
767-300ER - As of September 2020, 31 of the 38 aircraft have been reconfigured with the Polaris seats.
- Retrofit is from 3-cabin to 2-cabin with direct-aisle-access seats. No 3-cabin 767s remain in service.
- 76A configuration is 30J/50Y+/134Y, total of 214; fleet to consist of 17 ships (former 3-cabin 767s).
- 76L configuration is 46J/22PE/47Y+/52Y; fleet to consist of 21 ships (18 former 2-cabin 76C and 3 used ships from Hawaiian).
767-400ER - [16 aircraft] None updated yet; modifications put on hold due to Covid-19.
777-200ER - As of September 2020, 46 of the 50 aircraft have been reconfigured with Polaris and Premium Plus seats.
- Configuration is 50 Polaris seats, 32 in the front cabin and 18 in the second cabin (behind 2L/R)
- Configuration is 10 across in economy, with 24 Premium Plus seats, 46
- Seat map (v5) on united.com
787-8, 787-9 - As of November 2022, all 787-8/9 are converted or in mod. No chance of flying old configuration anymore.
- 788 configuration has 28 Polaris seats (20 in front cabin, 8 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
- 789 configuration has 48 Polaris seats (32 in front cabin, 16 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
787-10 - 13 787-10s have been delivered in 2020. All come with Polaris and Premium Plus cabins factory-installed. Another 19 should be added by 2024.
FAQ:
Q: Does a Polaris ticket mean the aircraft has the new Polaris seat?
A: No, Polaris is the label UA uses for long haul international business class. It is also the label UA uses for the new seats, so this does create some confusion.
All the 773s and 787-10s are 100% the new seat.
The rest of the long haul fleet in various stages of conversion, see http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris...-desktop-4/p/3
Q: How to tell if my aircraft is the new style Polaris seats?
A: If the unassigned business class section is showing orange seats or all the seats are side-by-side or there is a section for 4 adjacent seats in the middle, this is an old style lie-flat aircreaft
If the unassigned bussines class seats are dark blue seats or the all the seats appear to have direct aisle access, then you aircraft is the new Polaris seat.
You can also look at the FT maintained, United Fleet Site and crosscheck the tail number or check thePolaris Update tab
Q: How to tell if my aircraft has the new PremiumPlus (PP) / Premium Economy seats?
A: If the unassigned seats just behind business class are purple seats or the aircraft is 773 or 787-10, then yes. However, the purple color seat will only show on routes where PP is being sold.
Aircraft with PP seats are being used on some routes but are not being sold as PP. In those cases, the seats are considered to be a part of E+. In those cases, an indicator of PP sold as E+ will be if the first few rows of economy, there are just 2 seats on the sides (with the rest of E+ showing 3 seats).
Q: Will the aircraft I see at booking be the same configuration at flight time?
A: Unfortunately with the fleet in transit, aircraft swaps happen. UA tends to use placeholders until 2 days before travel and even after that last minute swaps do happen.
Q: My flight seat map shows 772 with polaris seats is it a retrofit?
A: Possibly. The flight status page shows the most accurate scheduled aircraft. If a 77W is swapped in, it will list the aircraft as 777-300ER. However, if the 772's seatmap shows blue rectangular boxes in the business class cabin instead of orange "pointy rounds", this would indicate that a retrofit aircraft has been swapped.
See also: United Future/Changed Routes w/ Polaris seats
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Oct 5, 2017, 8:51 am
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The space will likely be occupied a storage "doghouse" or small closet unit. I'm not privy to the complete LOPA so I can't see what the number designation corresponds to, but it's clear that something goes in that space.
Oct 5, 2017, 1:16 pm
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Objectively not true. The 787 gives a bit more space (in UA's case, both width and pitch), and has the newest interior amenities such as a higher cabin pressure.
I can see people drawing their line between the 10-across 777 and 787. It's more logical to draw a line there than between the 787 and A350, which have smaller differences.
I can see people drawing their line between the 10-across 777 and 787. It's more logical to draw a line there than between the 787 and A350, which have smaller differences.
Oct 5, 2017, 2:05 pm
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I found the 787 to be quite a bit better than 10-abreast 777...the seat cushions may be roughly the same size, but I found there to be more shoulder room on the 787, such that is was tolerable. I was not able to tolerate the 10-abreast on even a 4 hours ORD-SFO flight.
Oct 9, 2017, 7:27 pm
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Hi all. Quite a long thread here, so please excuse me if this has been asked already.
I just booked 2 business class tickets for end of June 2018, AMS->IAH on a 777-200, the one with the 2-2-2 business class cabin. Is there any possibility that United will finish upgrading the seats to Polaris on this bird by then?
I just booked 2 business class tickets for end of June 2018, AMS->IAH on a 777-200, the one with the 2-2-2 business class cabin. Is there any possibility that United will finish upgrading the seats to Polaris on this bird by then?
Oct 9, 2017, 7:35 pm
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Hi all. Quite a long thread here, so please excuse me if this has been asked already.
I just booked 2 business class tickets for end of June 2018, AMS->IAH on a 777-200, the one with the 2-2-2 business class cabin. Is there any possibility that United will finish upgrading the seats to Polaris on this bird by then?
I just booked 2 business class tickets for end of June 2018, AMS->IAH on a 777-200, the one with the 2-2-2 business class cabin. Is there any possibility that United will finish upgrading the seats to Polaris on this bird by then?
Oct 9, 2017, 7:50 pm
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Sorry if this has been covered before since this is such a long thread, is it correct to assume the following is the list of retrofit schedule in terms of priority?
1. PMUA 3-class 763
2. PMUA 3-class 772
3. 2 class 772/764/763 international configuration.
4. 788/789 when they are scheduled for D check.
The undelivered 77W, 787-10 and A350 will be fitted with Polaris seats.
1. PMUA 3-class 763
2. PMUA 3-class 772
3. 2 class 772/764/763 international configuration.
4. 788/789 when they are scheduled for D check.
The undelivered 77W, 787-10 and A350 will be fitted with Polaris seats.
Oct 9, 2017, 8:50 pm
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As of right now, there are domestic / Hawaii, for which there are no conversion plans.
Then there are the sUA 3 class which will be done first as UA is phasing out Int'l FC cabin and Biz has 8 across.
And sCO will be done after that, as there is only Biz, and it is 6 across.
Oct 9, 2017, 9:22 pm
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Sorry if this has been covered before since this is such a long thread, is it correct to assume the following is the list of retrofit schedule in terms of priority?
1. PMUA 3-class 763
2. PMUA 3-class 772
3. 2 class 772/764/763 international configuration.
4. 788/789 when they are scheduled for D check.
The undelivered 77W, 787-10 and A350 will be fitted with Polaris seats.
1. PMUA 3-class 763
2. PMUA 3-class 772
3. 2 class 772/764/763 international configuration.
4. 788/789 when they are scheduled for D check.
The undelivered 77W, 787-10 and A350 will be fitted with Polaris seats.
Jose announced a seatmap for the 77Y (sCO 777-200), so I would speculate they might get done before the 764s and 2-class 763s, but that far down the line no one really knows.
Oct 9, 2017, 9:55 pm
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As for the 764s I undeerstand it still uncertain if they will get converted at all.
Oct 9, 2017, 11:35 pm
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To clarify...UA has only indicated the 14 3 class 763s and 55 772s will get the retrofit. Initially UA said all 763 and 764 and D check 787s but they have gone silent on those aircraft. Oh and their initial schedule is behind. I better shut my mouth now as criticizing about the slow rollout is frowned upon.
Please Overlook Lack of Amenities Rollout Is Sluggish.
Please Overlook Lack of Amenities Rollout Is Sluggish.
Oct 10, 2017, 5:24 am
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To clarify...UA has only indicated the 14 3 class 763s and 55 772s will get the retrofit. Initially UA said all 763 and 764 and D check 787s but they have gone silent on those aircraft. Oh and their initial schedule is behind. I better shut my mouth now as criticizing about the slow rollout is frowned upon.
Please Overlook Lack of Amenities Rollout Is Sluggish.
Please Overlook Lack of Amenities Rollout Is Sluggish.
Oct 10, 2017, 8:38 am
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Objectively not true. The 787 gives a bit more space (in UA's case, both width and pitch), and has the newest interior amenities such as a higher cabin pressure.
I can see people drawing their line between the 10-across 777 and 787. It's more logical to draw a line there than between the 787 and A350, which have smaller differences.
I can see people drawing their line between the 10-across 777 and 787. It's more logical to draw a line there than between the 787 and A350, which have smaller differences.
Oct 10, 2017, 8:44 am
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