May 29, 17, 1:21 pm
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Check the current status of aircraft reconfigured (or delivered) with new Polaris seats: http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris...-desktop-4/p/3.
A Polaris Update and Polaris Mod Schedule to indicate the status of specific aircraft are maintained by those that manage the United Airlines Fleet Website.
Except for 773- and 781-operated flights, and those markets selling Premium Plus, Polaris-equipped planes have not been allocated to specific routes. You won't know until approx. 36-48 hours before departure if you'll have a newly reconfigured aircraft, and even then, it may be replaced with a non-retrofitted aircraft.
777-300ER - All 22 aircraft have Polaris (60 seats) and installation of Premium Plus cabins (24 seats) is complete.
767-300ER - As of September 2020, 31 of the 38 aircraft have been reconfigured with the Polaris seats.
- Retrofit is from 3-cabin to 2-cabin with direct-aisle-access seats. No 3-cabin 767s remain in service.
- 76A configuration is 30J/50Y+/134Y, total of 214; fleet to consist of 17 ships (former 3-cabin 767s).
- 76L configuration is 46J/22PE/47Y+/52Y; fleet to consist of 21 ships (18 former 2-cabin 76C and 3 used ships from Hawaiian).
767-400ER - [16 aircraft] None updated yet; modifications put on hold due to Covid-19.
777-200ER - As of September 2020, 46 of the 50 aircraft have been reconfigured with Polaris and Premium Plus seats.
- Configuration is 50 Polaris seats, 32 in the front cabin and 18 in the second cabin (behind 2L/R)
- Configuration is 10 across in economy, with 24 Premium Plus seats, 4686 E+ seats and 156 E seats, with E+ in front economy cabin plus exit rows and bulkhead at 3L/R, i.e., almost the same as current pmCO planes, except with 4 seats in middle section.
- Seat map (v5) on united.com
787-8, 787-9 - As of November 2022, all 787-8/9 are converted or in mod. No chance of flying old configuration anymore.
- 788 configuration has 28 Polaris seats (20 in front cabin, 8 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
- 789 configuration has 48 Polaris seats (32 in front cabin, 16 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
787-10 - 13 787-10s have been delivered in 2020. All come with Polaris and Premium Plus cabins factory-installed. Another 19 should be added by 2024.
FAQ:
Q: Does a Polaris ticket mean the aircraft has the new Polaris seat?
A: No, Polaris is the label UA uses for long haul international business class. It is also the label UA uses for the new seats, so this does create some confusion.
All the 773s and 787-10s are 100% the new seat.
The rest of the long haul fleet in various stages of conversion, see http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris...-desktop-4/p/3
Q: How to tell if my aircraft is the new style Polaris seats?
A: If the unassigned business class section is showing orange seats or all the seats are side-by-side or there is a section for 4 adjacent seats in the middle, this is an old style lie-flat aircreaft
If the unassigned bussines class seats are dark blue seats or the all the seats appear to have direct aisle access, then you aircraft is the new Polaris seat.
You can also look at the FT maintained, United Fleet Site and crosscheck the tail number or check thePolaris Update tab
Q: How to tell if my aircraft has the new PremiumPlus (PP) / Premium Economy seats?
A: If the unassigned seats just behind business class are purple seats or the aircraft is 773 or 787-10, then yes. However, the purple color seat will only show on routes where PP is being sold.
Aircraft with PP seats are being used on some routes but are not being sold as PP. In those cases, the seats are considered to be a part of E+. In those cases, an indicator of PP sold as E+ will be if the first few rows of economy, there are just 2 seats on the sides (with the rest of E+ showing 3 seats).
Q: Will the aircraft I see at booking be the same configuration at flight time?
A: Unfortunately with the fleet in transit, aircraft swaps happen. UA tends to use placeholders until 2 days before travel and even after that last minute swaps do happen.
Q: My flight seat map shows 772 with polaris seats is it a retrofit?
A: Possibly. The flight status page shows the most accurate scheduled aircraft. If a 77W is swapped in, it will list the aircraft as 777-300ER. However, if the 772's seatmap shows blue rectangular boxes in the business class cabin instead of orange "pointy rounds", this would indicate that a retrofit aircraft has been swapped.
See also: United Future/Changed Routes w/ Polaris seats
A Polaris Update and Polaris Mod Schedule to indicate the status of specific aircraft are maintained by those that manage the United Airlines Fleet Website.
Except for 773- and 781-operated flights, and those markets selling Premium Plus, Polaris-equipped planes have not been allocated to specific routes. You won't know until approx. 36-48 hours before departure if you'll have a newly reconfigured aircraft, and even then, it may be replaced with a non-retrofitted aircraft.
777-300ER - All 22 aircraft have Polaris (60 seats) and installation of Premium Plus cabins (24 seats) is complete.
767-300ER - As of September 2020, 31 of the 38 aircraft have been reconfigured with the Polaris seats.
- Retrofit is from 3-cabin to 2-cabin with direct-aisle-access seats. No 3-cabin 767s remain in service.
- 76A configuration is 30J/50Y+/134Y, total of 214; fleet to consist of 17 ships (former 3-cabin 767s).
- 76L configuration is 46J/22PE/47Y+/52Y; fleet to consist of 21 ships (18 former 2-cabin 76C and 3 used ships from Hawaiian).
767-400ER - [16 aircraft] None updated yet; modifications put on hold due to Covid-19.
777-200ER - As of September 2020, 46 of the 50 aircraft have been reconfigured with Polaris and Premium Plus seats.
- Configuration is 50 Polaris seats, 32 in the front cabin and 18 in the second cabin (behind 2L/R)
- Configuration is 10 across in economy, with 24 Premium Plus seats, 46
- Seat map (v5) on united.com
787-8, 787-9 - As of November 2022, all 787-8/9 are converted or in mod. No chance of flying old configuration anymore.
- 788 configuration has 28 Polaris seats (20 in front cabin, 8 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
- 789 configuration has 48 Polaris seats (32 in front cabin, 16 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
787-10 - 13 787-10s have been delivered in 2020. All come with Polaris and Premium Plus cabins factory-installed. Another 19 should be added by 2024.
FAQ:
Q: Does a Polaris ticket mean the aircraft has the new Polaris seat?
A: No, Polaris is the label UA uses for long haul international business class. It is also the label UA uses for the new seats, so this does create some confusion.
All the 773s and 787-10s are 100% the new seat.
The rest of the long haul fleet in various stages of conversion, see http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris...-desktop-4/p/3
Q: How to tell if my aircraft is the new style Polaris seats?
A: If the unassigned business class section is showing orange seats or all the seats are side-by-side or there is a section for 4 adjacent seats in the middle, this is an old style lie-flat aircreaft
If the unassigned bussines class seats are dark blue seats or the all the seats appear to have direct aisle access, then you aircraft is the new Polaris seat.
You can also look at the FT maintained, United Fleet Site and crosscheck the tail number or check thePolaris Update tab
Q: How to tell if my aircraft has the new PremiumPlus (PP) / Premium Economy seats?
A: If the unassigned seats just behind business class are purple seats or the aircraft is 773 or 787-10, then yes. However, the purple color seat will only show on routes where PP is being sold.
Aircraft with PP seats are being used on some routes but are not being sold as PP. In those cases, the seats are considered to be a part of E+. In those cases, an indicator of PP sold as E+ will be if the first few rows of economy, there are just 2 seats on the sides (with the rest of E+ showing 3 seats).
Q: Will the aircraft I see at booking be the same configuration at flight time?
A: Unfortunately with the fleet in transit, aircraft swaps happen. UA tends to use placeholders until 2 days before travel and even after that last minute swaps do happen.
Q: My flight seat map shows 772 with polaris seats is it a retrofit?
A: Possibly. The flight status page shows the most accurate scheduled aircraft. If a 77W is swapped in, it will list the aircraft as 777-300ER. However, if the 772's seatmap shows blue rectangular boxes in the business class cabin instead of orange "pointy rounds", this would indicate that a retrofit aircraft has been swapped.
See also: United Future/Changed Routes w/ Polaris seats
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Sep 28, 17, 5:28 am
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Considering my first trip in a 787 won't be for another 6-7 years (Australia on a 789), this works out well. 15 hours each way on a Polaris Cabin would be a nice treat for someone who doesn't fly in J often.
I am also hoping to see a Polaris Cabin on an EWR-FCO/CDG open Jaw trip in 4 years, but we'll see. A lot can happen and change over the next couple of years.
I am also hoping to see a Polaris Cabin on an EWR-FCO/CDG open Jaw trip in 4 years, but we'll see. A lot can happen and change over the next couple of years.
Sep 28, 17, 9:15 am
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I assume he meant years, as there won't be any 787s flying with a Polaris cabin in 6-7 months. But yes, that is quite some advance planning.
Sep 29, 17, 2:38 pm
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Sep 30, 17, 12:00 am
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How many pUA 3 class 772's are there? 33 maybe??
Am I correct in assuming of the 777 these are first in line to get converted to Polaris?
Will they get converted quickly or only when they are due for some other (Heavy) maintenance?
Am I correct in assuming of the 777 these are first in line to get converted to Polaris?
Will they get converted quickly or only when they are due for some other (Heavy) maintenance?
Sep 30, 17, 6:30 am
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Yes the 3-class definitely first to get converted. There are 33 and first should go in for mods/certification this winter.
Oct 4, 17, 9:52 am
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Oct 4, 17, 9:54 am
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Oct 4, 17, 11:17 am
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77E (77Y with polaris) 50/86/156 292 total. J stays the same at 50 Y+ increases 14 seats Y increases 11 seats.
Oct 4, 17, 3:44 pm
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50 is an interesting number as Polaris comes in two row sets. 60 works on the 77W with one set of 4 center seats removed in front of door 2 for a galley. 8x8=64, 64-4=60
It looks to me 50 could be challenging to make work on the 772.
Since the 77W hand 772 have the same space from door 1 to door 2, one would expect the same config in that area. However, I can't come up with a configuration that seems to match up for the 22 seats needed behind door 2.
Since the configuration has 10 fewer seats than the 77W, galley and lav reduction is probably key.
One way would be (looking at the 77W config) to pull the galley at rows 7 & 8 to add 4 seats, then only 18 seats would be needed behind door 2. That could be 4 rows (2 sets of paired rows plus two seats where one of the lavs is behind door 2. 4x4=16, 16+2=18. The questions would be if there is enough room to place a window pair where the lav is and would there be enough galley space with the large galley removed?
I think we'll just have to wait.
DA201, the first conversion take a lot longer than subsequent ones as there is an STC required and crews have no experience. The 763 conversions have a lot of work done, not just for the front of the aircraft, so it does take time. I suspect the 772s will as well, but not 3-4 months per aircraft. The 763 3 to 2 class conversions took about 6 weeks while the 772A conversions from international to domestic took between 42 and about 50 days. I think the 763s will end up in this time range and who knows, we may have 3 lines going at once soon - just guessing. With three lines one might come out every 15-20 days. 3 a month would complete the 13 3 class units in 4-5 months - once the 3 class 763s are complete, one would expect the 772 3 class units to start as that is the priority.
2 class 763 to Polaris should be easier as it looks like lavs/galleys are set and mostly only changes in Y look like repitching.
It looks to me 50 could be challenging to make work on the 772.
Since the 77W hand 772 have the same space from door 1 to door 2, one would expect the same config in that area. However, I can't come up with a configuration that seems to match up for the 22 seats needed behind door 2.
Since the configuration has 10 fewer seats than the 77W, galley and lav reduction is probably key.
One way would be (looking at the 77W config) to pull the galley at rows 7 & 8 to add 4 seats, then only 18 seats would be needed behind door 2. That could be 4 rows (2 sets of paired rows plus two seats where one of the lavs is behind door 2. 4x4=16, 16+2=18. The questions would be if there is enough room to place a window pair where the lav is and would there be enough galley space with the large galley removed?
I think we'll just have to wait.
DA201, the first conversion take a lot longer than subsequent ones as there is an STC required and crews have no experience. The 763 conversions have a lot of work done, not just for the front of the aircraft, so it does take time. I suspect the 772s will as well, but not 3-4 months per aircraft. The 763 3 to 2 class conversions took about 6 weeks while the 772A conversions from international to domestic took between 42 and about 50 days. I think the 763s will end up in this time range and who knows, we may have 3 lines going at once soon - just guessing. With three lines one might come out every 15-20 days. 3 a month would complete the 13 3 class units in 4-5 months - once the 3 class 763s are complete, one would expect the 772 3 class units to start as that is the priority.
2 class 763 to Polaris should be easier as it looks like lavs/galleys are set and mostly only changes in Y look like repitching.
Oct 4, 17, 5:33 pm
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Oct 4, 17, 7:14 pm
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CALTECH on A.net has a screenshot of the J cabin from the 777 LOPA.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/36299314893/in/dateposted-public
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/36299314893/in/dateposted-public
Oct 4, 17, 10:45 pm
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