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Check the current status of aircraft reconfigured (or delivered) with new Polaris seats: http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris...-desktop-4/p/3.
A Polaris Update and Polaris Mod Schedule to indicate the status of specific aircraft are maintained by those that manage the United Airlines Fleet Website.
Except for 773- and 781-operated flights, and those markets selling Premium Plus, Polaris-equipped planes have not been allocated to specific routes. You won't know until approx. 36-48 hours before departure if you'll have a newly reconfigured aircraft, and even then, it may be replaced with a non-retrofitted aircraft.
777-300ER - All 22 aircraft have Polaris (60 seats) and installation of Premium Plus cabins (24 seats) is complete.
767-300ER - As of September 2020, 31 of the 38 aircraft have been reconfigured with the Polaris seats.
- Retrofit is from 3-cabin to 2-cabin with direct-aisle-access seats. No 3-cabin 767s remain in service.
- 76A configuration is 30J/50Y+/134Y, total of 214; fleet to consist of 17 ships (former 3-cabin 767s).
- 76L configuration is 46J/22PE/47Y+/52Y; fleet to consist of 21 ships (18 former 2-cabin 76C and 3 used ships from Hawaiian).
767-400ER - [16 aircraft] None updated yet; modifications put on hold due to Covid-19.
777-200ER - As of September 2020, 46 of the 50 aircraft have been reconfigured with Polaris and Premium Plus seats.
- Configuration is 50 Polaris seats, 32 in the front cabin and 18 in the second cabin (behind 2L/R)
- Configuration is 10 across in economy, with 24 Premium Plus seats, 4686 E+ seats and 156 E seats, with E+ in front economy cabin plus exit rows and bulkhead at 3L/R, i.e., almost the same as current pmCO planes, except with 4 seats in middle section.
- Seat map (v5) on united.com
787-8, 787-9 - As of November 2022, all 787-8/9 are converted or in mod. No chance of flying old configuration anymore.
- 788 configuration has 28 Polaris seats (20 in front cabin, 8 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
- 789 configuration has 48 Polaris seats (32 in front cabin, 16 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
787-10 - 13 787-10s have been delivered in 2020. All come with Polaris and Premium Plus cabins factory-installed. Another 19 should be added by 2024.
FAQ:
Q: Does a Polaris ticket mean the aircraft has the new Polaris seat?
A: No, Polaris is the label UA uses for long haul international business class. It is also the label UA uses for the new seats, so this does create some confusion.
All the 773s and 787-10s are 100% the new seat.
The rest of the long haul fleet in various stages of conversion, see http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris...-desktop-4/p/3
Q: How to tell if my aircraft is the new style Polaris seats?
A: If the unassigned business class section is showing orange seats or all the seats are side-by-side or there is a section for 4 adjacent seats in the middle, this is an old style lie-flat aircreaft
If the unassigned bussines class seats are dark blue seats or the all the seats appear to have direct aisle access, then you aircraft is the new Polaris seat.
You can also look at the FT maintained, United Fleet Site and crosscheck the tail number or check thePolaris Update tab
Q: How to tell if my aircraft has the new PremiumPlus (PP) / Premium Economy seats?
A: If the unassigned seats just behind business class are purple seats or the aircraft is 773 or 787-10, then yes. However, the purple color seat will only show on routes where PP is being sold.
Aircraft with PP seats are being used on some routes but are not being sold as PP. In those cases, the seats are considered to be a part of E+. In those cases, an indicator of PP sold as E+ will be if the first few rows of economy, there are just 2 seats on the sides (with the rest of E+ showing 3 seats).
Q: Will the aircraft I see at booking be the same configuration at flight time?
A: Unfortunately with the fleet in transit, aircraft swaps happen. UA tends to use placeholders until 2 days before travel and even after that last minute swaps do happen.
Q: My flight seat map shows 772 with polaris seats is it a retrofit?
A: Possibly. The flight status page shows the most accurate scheduled aircraft. If a 77W is swapped in, it will list the aircraft as 777-300ER. However, if the 772's seatmap shows blue rectangular boxes in the business class cabin instead of orange "pointy rounds", this would indicate that a retrofit aircraft has been swapped.
See also: United Future/Changed Routes w/ Polaris seats
A Polaris Update and Polaris Mod Schedule to indicate the status of specific aircraft are maintained by those that manage the United Airlines Fleet Website.
Except for 773- and 781-operated flights, and those markets selling Premium Plus, Polaris-equipped planes have not been allocated to specific routes. You won't know until approx. 36-48 hours before departure if you'll have a newly reconfigured aircraft, and even then, it may be replaced with a non-retrofitted aircraft.
777-300ER - All 22 aircraft have Polaris (60 seats) and installation of Premium Plus cabins (24 seats) is complete.
767-300ER - As of September 2020, 31 of the 38 aircraft have been reconfigured with the Polaris seats.
- Retrofit is from 3-cabin to 2-cabin with direct-aisle-access seats. No 3-cabin 767s remain in service.
- 76A configuration is 30J/50Y+/134Y, total of 214; fleet to consist of 17 ships (former 3-cabin 767s).
- 76L configuration is 46J/22PE/47Y+/52Y; fleet to consist of 21 ships (18 former 2-cabin 76C and 3 used ships from Hawaiian).
767-400ER - [16 aircraft] None updated yet; modifications put on hold due to Covid-19.
777-200ER - As of September 2020, 46 of the 50 aircraft have been reconfigured with Polaris and Premium Plus seats.
- Configuration is 50 Polaris seats, 32 in the front cabin and 18 in the second cabin (behind 2L/R)
- Configuration is 10 across in economy, with 24 Premium Plus seats, 46
- Seat map (v5) on united.com
787-8, 787-9 - As of November 2022, all 787-8/9 are converted or in mod. No chance of flying old configuration anymore.
- 788 configuration has 28 Polaris seats (20 in front cabin, 8 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
- 789 configuration has 48 Polaris seats (32 in front cabin, 16 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
787-10 - 13 787-10s have been delivered in 2020. All come with Polaris and Premium Plus cabins factory-installed. Another 19 should be added by 2024.
FAQ:
Q: Does a Polaris ticket mean the aircraft has the new Polaris seat?
A: No, Polaris is the label UA uses for long haul international business class. It is also the label UA uses for the new seats, so this does create some confusion.
All the 773s and 787-10s are 100% the new seat.
The rest of the long haul fleet in various stages of conversion, see http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris...-desktop-4/p/3
Q: How to tell if my aircraft is the new style Polaris seats?
A: If the unassigned business class section is showing orange seats or all the seats are side-by-side or there is a section for 4 adjacent seats in the middle, this is an old style lie-flat aircreaft
If the unassigned bussines class seats are dark blue seats or the all the seats appear to have direct aisle access, then you aircraft is the new Polaris seat.
You can also look at the FT maintained, United Fleet Site and crosscheck the tail number or check thePolaris Update tab
Q: How to tell if my aircraft has the new PremiumPlus (PP) / Premium Economy seats?
A: If the unassigned seats just behind business class are purple seats or the aircraft is 773 or 787-10, then yes. However, the purple color seat will only show on routes where PP is being sold.
Aircraft with PP seats are being used on some routes but are not being sold as PP. In those cases, the seats are considered to be a part of E+. In those cases, an indicator of PP sold as E+ will be if the first few rows of economy, there are just 2 seats on the sides (with the rest of E+ showing 3 seats).
Q: Will the aircraft I see at booking be the same configuration at flight time?
A: Unfortunately with the fleet in transit, aircraft swaps happen. UA tends to use placeholders until 2 days before travel and even after that last minute swaps do happen.
Q: My flight seat map shows 772 with polaris seats is it a retrofit?
A: Possibly. The flight status page shows the most accurate scheduled aircraft. If a 77W is swapped in, it will list the aircraft as 777-300ER. However, if the 772's seatmap shows blue rectangular boxes in the business class cabin instead of orange "pointy rounds", this would indicate that a retrofit aircraft has been swapped.
See also: United Future/Changed Routes w/ Polaris seats
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Jul 4, 2019, 3:16 pm
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14 have been Polarized with 30 Polaris J seats and no PP-- that conversion is finished
17 will be converted to High-J, with 46 Polaris J seats and 18 PP -- 5 done, 3 in the shop
9 unconverted UA 763s presently in service
7 older 763s will be retired and not converted
FT's United Fleet site - Polaris Update
17 will be converted to High-J, with 46 Polaris J seats and 18 PP -- 5 done, 3 in the shop
9 unconverted UA 763s presently in service
7 older 763s will be retired and not converted
FT's United Fleet site - Polaris Update
Jul 4, 2019, 4:08 pm
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14 have been Polarized with 30 Polaris J seats and no PP-- that conversion is finished
17 will be converted to High-J, with 46 Polaris J seats and 18 PP -- 5 done, 3 in the shop
9 unconverted UA 763s presently in service
7 older 763s will be retired and not converted
FT's United Fleet site - Polaris Update
17 will be converted to High-J, with 46 Polaris J seats and 18 PP -- 5 done, 3 in the shop
9 unconverted UA 763s presently in service
7 older 763s will be retired and not converted
FT's United Fleet site - Polaris Update
Jul 5, 2019, 1:17 am
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Jul 5, 2019, 1:26 am
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Jul 5, 2019, 2:36 am
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There are also 2 unconverted ex-HA 763s that will get converted to High J/PE config. They are currently in HKG waiting for Y seats that will be removed from the old confuguration.
Also, I would imagine that since the 1992-1993 units are getting converted, they will remain in the 30J config, to match what they were originally going to be used for. I'm assuming that UA only wants the High-J/PE units for specific routes and the number of aircraft needed to support those routes has already been figured out.
Also, I would imagine that since the 1992-1993 units are getting converted, they will remain in the 30J config, to match what they were originally going to be used for. I'm assuming that UA only wants the High-J/PE units for specific routes and the number of aircraft needed to support those routes has already been figured out.
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Jul 5, 2019, 5:00 am
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Jul 7, 2019, 12:22 am
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We currently have 5 frames that are fitted with High J/PE. Once we get 2 more, UA could make EWR-LHR a dedicated route, leaving one plane as a protect. Also, if / when they do decide to do this, I wonder if 1 or 2 of the flights will be dedicated with the 30J Polaris configuration, to increase Y capacity.
Jul 16, 2019, 10:36 am
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Jul 16, 2019, 11:04 am
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For the 788 and 789 reconfigurations, I would use the 787-10 layout as a clue to how they'll come out, especially forward of A-zone, and I would expect E+ to go to 34" pitch and E- to 31". The 788s will probably get new Y seats in the style of the 787-10s (RockwellCollins Aspire). I am assuming UA is cramming 28 Polaris seats into A-zone on the 788?
I'm interested to see the LOPAs.
Jul 16, 2019, 11:13 am
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I'm disappointed to see the J cabin shrink, although I'm not particularly surprised. It's going to make the 787-8 a tough bird for upgrades.
Jul 16, 2019, 11:23 am
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Wait, so the 788 is getting a net increase of 24 seats? That sounds miserable. That 194 isn't supposed to be a 164, by chance, is it?
I'm disappointed to see the J cabin shrink, although I'm not particularly surprised. It's going to make the 787-8 a tough bird for upgrades.
I'm disappointed to see the J cabin shrink, although I'm not particularly surprised. It's going to make the 787-8 a tough bird for upgrades.
If my math is off (which it probably is), then there might be 20 seats in A-zone, two rows of Polaris to follow, and then PE/E+/Y. I think it would still work out in that case.
Jul 16, 2019, 11:26 am
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My guess is some cabin monuments are moved around creatively to allow 28 seats in A-zone, the full number of J seats. Following 2L/R is a complex of lav/closet/cart stowage units, then 3 rows of PE at 38" pitch, 3 rows of E+ at 34" pitch and the balance standard Y at 31" pitch. The additional capacity is enabled by consolidating business class into one cabin.