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✨ Polaris (& PP) Retrofits: Schedule, ....

Old May 29, 17, 1:21 pm
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Check the current status of aircraft reconfigured (or delivered) with new Polaris seats: http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris...-desktop-4/p/3.

A Polaris Update and Polaris Mod Schedule to indicate the status of specific aircraft are maintained by those that manage the United Airlines Fleet Website.

Except for 773- and 781-operated flights, and those markets selling Premium Plus, Polaris-equipped planes have not been allocated to specific routes. You won't know until approx. 36-48 hours before departure if you'll have a newly reconfigured aircraft, and even then, it may be replaced with a non-retrofitted aircraft.

777-300ER - All 22 aircraft have Polaris (60 seats) and installation of Premium Plus cabins (24 seats) is complete.

767-300ER - As of September 2020, 31 of the 38 aircraft have been reconfigured with the Polaris seats.
- Retrofit is from 3-cabin to 2-cabin with direct-aisle-access seats. No 3-cabin 767s remain in service.
- 76A configuration is 30J/50Y+/134Y, total of 214; fleet to consist of 17 ships (former 3-cabin 767s).
- 76L configuration is 46J/22PE/47Y+/52Y; fleet to consist of 21 ships (18 former 2-cabin 76C and 3 used ships from Hawaiian).

767-400ER - [16 aircraft] None updated yet; modifications put on hold due to Covid-19.

777-200ER - As of September 2020, 46 of the 50 aircraft have been reconfigured with Polaris and Premium Plus seats.
- Configuration is 50 Polaris seats, 32 in the front cabin and 18 in the second cabin (behind 2L/R)
- Configuration is 10 across in economy, with 24 Premium Plus seats, 46 86 E+ seats and 156 E seats, with E+ in front economy cabin plus exit rows and bulkhead at 3L/R, i.e., almost the same as current pmCO planes, except with 4 seats in middle section.
- Seat map (v5) on united.com

787-8, 787-9 - As of November 2022, all 787-8/9 are converted or in mod. No chance of flying old configuration anymore.
- 788 configuration has 28 Polaris seats (20 in front cabin, 8 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).
- 789 configuration has 48 Polaris seats (32 in front cabin, 16 in rear mini-cabin), and 21 Premium Plus seats (2-3-2).

787-10 - 13 787-10s have been delivered in 2020. All come with Polaris and Premium Plus cabins factory-installed. Another 19 should be added by 2024.

FAQ:
Q: Does a Polaris ticket mean the aircraft has the new Polaris seat?

A: No, Polaris is the label UA uses for long haul international business class. It is also the label UA uses for the new seats, so this does create some confusion.
All the 773s and 787-10s are 100% the new seat.
The rest of the long haul fleet in various stages of conversion, see http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris...-desktop-4/p/3

Q: How to tell if my aircraft is the new style Polaris seats?
A: If the unassigned business class section is showing orange seats or all the seats are side-by-side or there is a section for 4 adjacent seats in the middle, this is an old style lie-flat aircreaft
If the unassigned bussines class seats are dark blue seats or the all the seats appear to have direct aisle access, then you aircraft is the new Polaris seat.
You can also look at the FT maintained, United Fleet Site and crosscheck the tail number or check thePolaris Update tab

Q: How to tell if my aircraft has the new PremiumPlus (PP) / Premium Economy seats?
A: If the unassigned seats just behind business class are purple seats or the aircraft is 773 or 787-10, then yes. However, the purple color seat will only show on routes where PP is being sold.
Aircraft with PP seats are being used on some routes but are not being sold as PP. In those cases, the seats are considered to be a part of E+. In those cases, an indicator of PP sold as E+ will be if the first few rows of economy, there are just 2 seats on the sides (with the rest of E+ showing 3 seats).

Q: Will the aircraft I see at booking be the same configuration at flight time?
A: Unfortunately with the fleet in transit, aircraft swaps happen. UA tends to use placeholders until 2 days before travel and even after that last minute swaps do happen.

Q: My flight seat map shows 772 with polaris seats is it a retrofit?
A: Possibly. The flight status page shows the most accurate scheduled aircraft. If a 77W is swapped in, it will list the aircraft as 777-300ER. However, if the 772's seatmap shows blue rectangular boxes in the business class cabin instead of orange "pointy rounds", this would indicate that a retrofit aircraft has been swapped.

See also: United Future/Changed Routes w/ Polaris seats

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✨ Polaris (& PP) Retrofits: Schedule, ....

Old May 10, 19, 3:25 am
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Originally Posted by Halo117
Are the ex CO 772s getting personal air vents? With the dense 10 across Y this really is necessary.
Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Aye.
It appears they are for the most part leaving the ceiling area [including OHBs] alone and not modifying them when retrofitting to Polaris seats.
I would think installing air vents in a plane that didn't have them when built wouldn't be a particularly easy modification, and a bit overkill for a ~20 year old plane.
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Old May 10, 19, 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Man, this sucks. Ive actually gotten to the point where I love some airlines (JAL) but will only fly them on first class/daytimeish flights because I value the airvents on UA/AA/DL so much.
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Old May 11, 19, 4:23 am
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I always carry one of these with me when I travel. Its small, has good battery life, and has decent power.

https://www.dhgate.com/product/porta...415850321.html

The only downside is you have to find a way to prop it to get the right angle to blow on you. I tried a clip on one, but they are larger and thus harder to travel with.
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Old May 11, 19, 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by IWontRegretThis
Man, this sucks. Ive actually gotten to the point where I love some airlines (JAL) but will only fly them on first class/daytimeish flights because I value the airvents on UA/AA/DL so much.
I have flown every single type of UA aircraft many times over, except for the ex-CO 777s because of this. I avoid 764s for the same reason. My worry with the Polaris retrofits is that it will not be possible to tell 777-200 types apart going forward. Hopefully there will be some obscure detail on the seat maps that people around here will know that will allow for this!
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Old May 11, 19, 3:10 pm
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Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds
Hopefully there will be some obscure detail on the seat maps that people around here will know that will allow for this!
UA's clear intent is to allow these planes to be as interchangeable as possible. Even if there were some such subtle detail, it would probably only appear when an actual plane is assigned to the route 3-4 days prior to travel, and it would be subject to change after that.
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Old May 11, 19, 3:38 pm
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Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds
Hopefully there will be some obscure detail on the seat maps that people around here will know that will allow for this!
You might have to look at the frame number used on a current flight and look at the fleet site to see what kind of plane it is.

PWs are 2000s and GEs are 3000s

While using today’s flight isn’t a guarantee of the future, it’s a good indicator.

Now, what we don’t know is if they will designate a species to each route, or if they will become one large flock with the exception of routes with specific needs (range).


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Old May 11, 19, 5:13 pm
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Originally Posted by jsloan
UA's clear intent is to allow these planes to be as interchangeable as possible. Even if there were some such subtle detail, it would probably only appear when an actual plane is assigned to the route 3-4 days prior to travel, and it would be subject to change after that.
I know this is probably true, and I cant believe I am having to say this... But this will actually become material to me in how I book in the future. If I cannot guarantee that my flight will have air vents, that very well could be a factor in causing me to book with another airline. As a ~10yr GS, I dont make that statement easily. But a hot sleeping atmosphere is absolutely a big deal to me. Today its easy to avoid CO777s. But I cant easily avoid ALL UA 777s.
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Old May 11, 19, 6:02 pm
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Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds

I know this is probably true, and I can’t believe I am having to say this... But this will actually become material to me in how I book in the future. If I cannot guarantee that my flight will have air vents, that very well could be a factor in causing me to book with another airline.
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I picked up one of these USB powered fans (mine is red), and it works quite nicely. Or you could get a smaller, battery powered one as well.
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Originally Posted by phkc070408
Now, what we dont know is if they will designate a species to each route, or if they will become one large flock with the exception of routes with specific needs (range).
While UA will want to maximize interchangeability, I think you are right that certain routes may have a dedicated fleet. The most likely reasons would be engine type (potential maintenance needs/which stations are best equipped for servicing engine type), or as you note, range.
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Old May 12, 19, 9:14 am
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Originally Posted by iflyabunch
Based on my experience flying out of IAH, this seems to be the case for the long-haul 772 routes. I'm not sure what the reason would be.
It appears IAH-EZE is being operated tonight with a retrofitted 772 with PP. Go figure.
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Old May 12, 19, 2:10 pm
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Originally Posted by st530


It appears IAH-EZE is being operated tonight with a retrofitted 772 with PP. Go figure.
It's also N78001, so one more data point showing IAH seems to only use the GE powered aircraft for long haul 777 flights. It looks like that aircraft will return from EZE and then make a run to NRT.
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Old May 14, 19, 12:48 pm
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I am looking to book a flight to PVG soon (economy) but wanted to avoid the 2-class Polaris (50J and 3-4-3Y) sCO bird like the plague. I can fly through any of the UA hubs. I have narrowed down to ORD-PVG as it seems impossible for this route to get the 2-class sCO Polaris bird barring IRROPs. Am I thinking along right lines or have I missed something?
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Originally Posted by atword
While UA will want to maximize interchangeability, I think you are right that certain routes may have a dedicated fleet. The most likely reasons would be engine type (potential maintenance needs/which stations are best equipped for servicing engine type), or as you note, range.
The 777 fleet will still be separated by engine type, even though configuration will ultimately be the same.
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Originally Posted by expressboy
I am looking to book a flight to PVG soon (economy) but wanted to avoid the 2-class Polaris (50J and 3-4-3Y) sCO bird like the plague. I can fly through any of the UA hubs. I have narrowed down to ORD-PVG as it seems impossible for this route to get the 2-class sCO Polaris bird barring IRROPs. Am I thinking along right lines or have I missed something?
Why avoiding the retrofitted sCO 777? What if you get a retrofitted sUA 777? In fact, there's a retrofitted sUA 777 flying UA835 right now. You'll still be in 3-4-3Y. Only way to avoid it is to fly the 787 out of SFO/LAX.
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Old May 14, 19, 2:07 pm
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Originally Posted by hirohito888
Why avoiding the retrofitted sCO 777? What if you get a retrofitted sUA 777? In fact, there's a retrofitted sUA 777 flying UA835 right now. You'll still be in Y 3-4-3. Only way to avoid it is to fly the 787 out of SFO/LAX.
Don't see how 3-3-3 787 is better than 3-4-3 777

On the bright side, there are only two pmCO 777s converted so far IIRC.
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