Original Routing Credit (ORC) After Involuntary Re-Routing/Re-Booking (Archive)
#991
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Atherton, CA
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP; Owner, Green Bay Packers
Posts: 21,690
Just request "Original Routing Credit" from UA.
#992
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: UA MileagePlus (Premier Gold); Hilton HHonors (Gold); Chase Ultimate Rewards; Amex Plat
Posts: 6,675
I believe this is one of the situations where "double dipping" is allowed. Since AA isn't part of the Star Alliance, you can request ORC from UA, as well as AA/Oneworld miles.
#993
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Austin, TX and Aspen, CO
Programs: AA EXP, Marriott Lifetime Plat, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 225
Poll: Should United Credit PQMs for Cancelled First Class Flight?
So I had scheduled my final UA flight of the year this weekend and purchased a First Class return ticket, with the knowledge that the PQM bonus of the First Class flight would nudge be just above 25,000 PQM for the year, and re-qualification of Elite Status.
The flight out of Tyler, Texas was ultimately cancelled due to weather, and there were no First Class seats available on any flights over the next few days, so we returned in Economy Class. United DID say they would refund me the difference between the First Class and Coach fare.
I contacted United and advised them of the situation, and that I had specifically planned this last trip of the year to nudge me above 25,000 miles, and asked that since the cancellation situation was out of my control, would they offer a courtesy 1,000 PQM? Their response is below. Note I have been a 1K for many years until recently, with a move to NYC and Delta being a little more convenient.
Question - should UA offer the courtesy PQM? Would other airlines, as a gesture of good will? .. I have to imagine now that I am looking at no status on UA for 2016, moving over to Delta (where I am rapidly becoming Platinum) would be a no brainer.
** Response from UA **
Hello Mr. ****,
We’re always glad to hear from Premier Gold members like you. Thanks for writing.
We are unable to add Premier Qualifying Miles (PQM) as a courtesy, due to a canceled flight. Our Customer Care uses other forms of goodwill, to include travel certificates and award miles.
If, in January, you are still short of the required PQM, please contact MileagePlus to see what other options we may have available for you to obtain your desired status.
We appreciate you taking the time to contact us.
Regards,
Gavin M*****
MileagePlus® Lead Representative
The flight out of Tyler, Texas was ultimately cancelled due to weather, and there were no First Class seats available on any flights over the next few days, so we returned in Economy Class. United DID say they would refund me the difference between the First Class and Coach fare.
I contacted United and advised them of the situation, and that I had specifically planned this last trip of the year to nudge me above 25,000 miles, and asked that since the cancellation situation was out of my control, would they offer a courtesy 1,000 PQM? Their response is below. Note I have been a 1K for many years until recently, with a move to NYC and Delta being a little more convenient.
Question - should UA offer the courtesy PQM? Would other airlines, as a gesture of good will? .. I have to imagine now that I am looking at no status on UA for 2016, moving over to Delta (where I am rapidly becoming Platinum) would be a no brainer.
** Response from UA **
Hello Mr. ****,
We’re always glad to hear from Premier Gold members like you. Thanks for writing.
We are unable to add Premier Qualifying Miles (PQM) as a courtesy, due to a canceled flight. Our Customer Care uses other forms of goodwill, to include travel certificates and award miles.
If, in January, you are still short of the required PQM, please contact MileagePlus to see what other options we may have available for you to obtain your desired status.
We appreciate you taking the time to contact us.
Regards,
Gavin M*****
MileagePlus® Lead Representative
#994
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 11,460
So I had scheduled my final UA flight of the year this weekend and purchased a First Class return ticket, with the knowledge that the PQM bonus of the First Class flight would nudge be just above 25,000 PQM for the year, and re-qualification of Elite Status.
The flight out of Tyler, Texas was ultimately cancelled due to weather, and there were no First Class seats available on any flights over the next few days, so we returned in Economy Class. United DID say they would refund me the difference between the First Class and Coach fare.
I contacted United and advised them of the situation, and that I had specifically planned this last trip of the year to nudge me above 25,000 miles, and asked that since the cancellation situation was out of my control, would they offer a courtesy 1,000 PQM? Their response is below. Note I have been a 1K for many years until recently, with a move to NYC and Delta being a little more convenient.
Question - should UA offer the courtesy PQM? Would other airlines, as a gesture of good will? .. I have to imagine now that I am looking at no status on UA for 2016, moving over to Delta (where I am rapidly becoming Platinum) would be a no brainer.
** Response from UA **
Hello Mr. ****,
We’re always glad to hear from Premier Gold members like you. Thanks for writing.
We are unable to add Premier Qualifying Miles (PQM) as a courtesy, due to a canceled flight. Our Customer Care uses other forms of goodwill, to include travel certificates and award miles.
If, in January, you are still short of the required PQM, please contact MileagePlus to see what other options we may have available for you to obtain your desired status.
We appreciate you taking the time to contact us.
Regards,
Gavin M*****
MileagePlus® Lead Representative
The flight out of Tyler, Texas was ultimately cancelled due to weather, and there were no First Class seats available on any flights over the next few days, so we returned in Economy Class. United DID say they would refund me the difference between the First Class and Coach fare.
I contacted United and advised them of the situation, and that I had specifically planned this last trip of the year to nudge me above 25,000 miles, and asked that since the cancellation situation was out of my control, would they offer a courtesy 1,000 PQM? Their response is below. Note I have been a 1K for many years until recently, with a move to NYC and Delta being a little more convenient.
Question - should UA offer the courtesy PQM? Would other airlines, as a gesture of good will? .. I have to imagine now that I am looking at no status on UA for 2016, moving over to Delta (where I am rapidly becoming Platinum) would be a no brainer.
** Response from UA **
Hello Mr. ****,
We’re always glad to hear from Premier Gold members like you. Thanks for writing.
We are unable to add Premier Qualifying Miles (PQM) as a courtesy, due to a canceled flight. Our Customer Care uses other forms of goodwill, to include travel certificates and award miles.
If, in January, you are still short of the required PQM, please contact MileagePlus to see what other options we may have available for you to obtain your desired status.
We appreciate you taking the time to contact us.
Regards,
Gavin M*****
MileagePlus® Lead Representative
#995
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Plat 1.995MM, Hyatt Discoverist, Marriott Plat/LT Gold, Hilton Silver, IHG Plat
Posts: 66,850
This may be an issue of how the the questions was phrased. Generally courtesy PQMs are not offered by UA or other airlines and NO is the standard answer.
Try again and ask for original routing credit (ORC) for an involuntary change. See the wiki for help on this issue.
However part of the issue will be, you get the refund or you get the ORC -- but not both usually.
Try again and ask for original routing credit (ORC) for an involuntary change. See the wiki for help on this issue.
However part of the issue will be, you get the refund or you get the ORC -- but not both usually.
#996
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: san jose, CA
Posts: 2,995
Can I get ORC on my United FF account, for involuntarily rerouted LH flights?
I booked a holidays trip in business class on LH, where I gave my UA FF# to credit when I booked online on LH (outbound on LH metal SFO-MUC-CPT in December 2015, return will be on LH metal back to SFO in January 2016). The EQM I expected to earn on UA with the 2015 part of the trip on LH were planned to get me comfortably above silver status for 2016. Unfortunately when I got to SFO I found I had been involuntarily rerouted to BA metal (which is One World and not Star Alliance), SFO-LHR-CPT, on the outbound December 2015 because of a LH mechanical problem that delayed the SFO-MUC several hours, past the time that would have allowed me to connect on the MUC-CPT flight and get to CPT on time. Although I was appreciative of the reroute, so I got to CPT on time, I do not have much use for BA miles -- I want my UA EQM miles, if at all possible. Is this something I could realistically pursue with UA, or am I just out of luck because the mechanical problem occurred with LH and not with UA metal?
#997
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
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Checkout the end ("other issues") of the wiki.
#998
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Floating around
Programs: UA 1K (1MM), DL Gold (1MM), Marriott LTT
Posts: 10,344
I was due to fly SEA-DEN-xxx and SEA-DEN was over 4+ hours late due to snow in Denver on Tuesday. I got re-routed on AA through PHL to my final destination and ultimately made it there, hours later.
I submitted an ORC to 1KVoice and got denied saying they won't offer ORC in cases of re-route due to weather. I've never had this happen before. In fact I've never been denied ORC.
Anyone else have this issue? Suggestions on remedy since I got denied via email to 1KVoice?
Thanks,
RM
I submitted an ORC to 1KVoice and got denied saying they won't offer ORC in cases of re-route due to weather. I've never had this happen before. In fact I've never been denied ORC.
Anyone else have this issue? Suggestions on remedy since I got denied via email to 1KVoice?
Thanks,
RM
#999
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: BOS/EAP
Programs: UA 1K, MR LTT, HH Dia, Amex Plat
Posts: 32,038
I was due to fly SEA-DEN-xxx and SEA-DEN was over 4+ hours late due to snow in Denver on Tuesday. I got re-routed on AA through PHL to my final destination and ultimately made it there, hours later.
I submitted an ORC to 1KVoice and got denied saying they won't offer ORC in cases of re-route due to weather. I've never had this happen before. In fact I've never been denied ORC.
Anyone else have this issue? Suggestions on remedy since I got denied via email to 1KVoice?
Thanks,
RM
I submitted an ORC to 1KVoice and got denied saying they won't offer ORC in cases of re-route due to weather. I've never had this happen before. In fact I've never been denied ORC.
Anyone else have this issue? Suggestions on remedy since I got denied via email to 1KVoice?
Thanks,
RM
#1000
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Floating around
Programs: UA 1K (1MM), DL Gold (1MM), Marriott LTT
Posts: 10,344
Either the first person didn't read my email correctly or was just having a bad day. Or just doesn't know the rules. This is UA after all. Most CSR's make up the rules as they go.
-RM
#1001
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: SNA
Programs: UA Premier Platinum, Marriott Bonvoy Titanium Elite (Lifetime Platinum), HHonors Gold
Posts: 241
Yeah. I re-emailed 1Kvoice and even pointed out it was my second request and that I felt I was incorrectly denied the first time. Within 30 minutes I had a response apologizing for the inconvenience and it said to expect the flights to post to my account within 24 hours.
Either the first person didn't read my email correctly or was just having a bad day. Or just doesn't know the rules. This is UA after all. Most CSR's make up the rules as they go.
-RM
Either the first person didn't read my email correctly or was just having a bad day. Or just doesn't know the rules. This is UA after all. Most CSR's make up the rules as they go.
-RM
#1002
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Asia
Programs: SPG P, HH G, MR G, IHG P, Hyatt D
Posts: 86
Booked ticket on OZ, due to delay changed to KE, can I still collect miles
I bought ticket Osaka-Seoul-Frankfurt on Asiana. I flew the segment KIX-ICN on Asiana. Due to delayed Asiana flight I changed to a Korean air flight on the ICN-FRA segment. What program will I earn miles Star or Skyteam? Can you please share your experience?
#1003
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: SFO/SJC
Programs: UA Silver, Marriott Gold, Hilton Gold
Posts: 14,884
This is probably best in the ORC thread. Ive done this when I've misconnected on UA flights no problem - you just call the MP line and they can do everything right over the phone in most cases. Just not sure what happens when you are originally booked on a *partner instead. Likely, it can be done, but probably will take more effort then if it was a UA irrops. But if this goes in he ORC thread, there are probably folks with more experience in your kind of situation that can provide better answers.
#1004
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: LIM
Programs: United Premier 1K, Hilton Diamond, Bonvoy Gold, AmEx Plat
Posts: 559
I misconnected MCO-IAH-LIM, and they rebooked me IAH-MEX (UA) // MEX-LIM (Aeromexico). I called in the day after and requester Original Travel Credit, and got the miles I was originally supposed to get. Of course, I could've signed up with Aeromexico's program and gotten miles for that flight as well.
#1005
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Plat 1.995MM, Hyatt Discoverist, Marriott Plat/LT Gold, Hilton Silver, IHG Plat
Posts: 66,850
What do you want to happen?
There exists a concept called Original Routing Credit you might try if you wish to credit to UA MP which credits you for your original scheduled flights in place of what you flew. This requires you have had UA MP listed as your FF account -- however as the ORC wiki states a partner changing to a non-partner flight on a non-016 can be a difficult request.