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Old Dec 23, 16, 5:32 pm
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UA to focus on domestic travel - Article in Chicago Tribune

Interesting article : http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...222-story.html
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Old Dec 23, 16, 5:53 pm
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Thanks for posting, interesting article. If nothing else, it provides more proof to the theory that basic economy fares are nothing more than a way to raise prices, not a way to break current prices into smaller pieces as some have suggested.

Most of my travel is domestic, so that part works for me, but I wonder if it means they'll be cutting international routes. Some times I read these articles and then never personally notice the change.
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Old Dec 23, 16, 6:14 pm
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Under the new system, flights would arrive and depart in concentrated waves, rather than being spread evenly throughout the day.
This is a concerning sentence to me. I mainly fly from Hub to Hub, and having my options slimmed down from, for instance, 10-12 evenly spaced options per day to just 3 or 4 times would be the tipping point that makes me look more closely at other carriers.

The reason why United has me captive at SFO is because of the variety of times. For instance, AA only offers 4 flights daily from SFO to ORD, while UA has 10+. However, if United decides to group all of their flights around 4 times instead of the 10-12 evenly spaced options currently, then there will be little difference between the two in terms of flexibility. And, with AA having ~40inch pitch in F, that would probably tip the scale for me towards them for at least some of those legs.

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Old Dec 23, 16, 6:22 pm
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Originally Posted by blahmeh14 View Post
having my options slimmed down from, for instance, 10-12 evenly spaced options per day to just 3 or 4 times would be the tipping point that makes me look more closely at other carriers.
I totally agree.
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Old Dec 23, 16, 6:54 pm
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I wish UA well but they have already pulled back in so many markets like LAX, SEA and even MIA that it is hard to imagine them stopping the downward spiral, especially as other carriers have been happy to take their place.
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Old Dec 23, 16, 7:04 pm
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"United officials say they still want to cut the time it takes to prep an arriving aircraft for its next flight — United takes about 6 percent longer than its competitors."
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Old Dec 23, 16, 7:13 pm
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Originally Posted by JBord View Post
...If nothing else, it provides more proof to the theory that basic economy fares are nothing more than a way to raise prices....
I'm not sure it's a way to raise prices as much as it's a way to get people to pay for the higher fares offered. Want E+ as a Premier? Can't buy Basic Economy.
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Old Dec 23, 16, 7:21 pm
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Boarding could be made more efficient saving 5m per turn (6%+).
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Old Dec 23, 16, 7:24 pm
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Cynical, I know. The advertising for this should break any minute for something they intend to deliver in 2-4 years.

Maybe they should try to fully deliver the new first class domestic seats and Polaris first.
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Old Dec 23, 16, 7:27 pm
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Originally Posted by blahmeh14 View Post
This is a concerning sentence to me. I mainly fly from Hub to Hub, and having my options slimmed down from, for instance, 10-12 evenly spaced options per day to just 3 or 4 times would be the tipping point that makes me look more closely at other carriers.
I don't think it's referring to the most frequent hub-to-hub flights.
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Old Dec 23, 16, 7:32 pm
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Originally Posted by blahmeh14 View Post
This is a concerning sentence to me. I mainly fly from Hub to Hub, and having my options slimmed down from, for instance, 10-12 evenly spaced options per day to just 3 or 4 times would be the tipping point that makes me look more closely at other carriers.
I doubt it will have much effect on the higher volume hub-hub routes due to the frequency they have, more noticeable banking for spoke-hub/hub-spoke.
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Old Dec 23, 16, 7:40 pm
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<quote>There likely also will be new products in between economy and Polaris. Haywood said United wants to offer a premium economy class, but is still working out what that might look like.<quote>

that was then line i found interesting in reference to a real PE class.
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Old Dec 23, 16, 8:07 pm
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Originally Posted by blahmeh14 View Post
This is a concerning sentence to me. I mainly fly from Hub to Hub, and having my options slimmed down from, for instance, 10-12 evenly spaced options per day to just 3 or 4 times would be the tipping point that makes me look more closely at other carriers.

The reason why United has me captive at SFO is because of the variety of times. For instance, AA only offers 4 flights daily from SFO to ORD, while UA has 10+. However, if United decides to group all of their flights around 4 times instead of the 10-12 evenly spaced options currently, then there will be little difference between the two in terms of flexibility. And, with AA having ~40inch pitch in F, that would probably tip the scale for me towards them for at least some of those legs.
First, UA will not go 4 daily on SFO-ORD. Also, if you are planning on sitting in first, UA has 777's on the route that are far superior in first.
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Old Dec 23, 16, 8:11 pm
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K View Post
First, UA will not go 4 daily on SFO-ORD. Also, if you are planning on sitting in first, UA has 777's on the route that are far superior in first.
+1 Upgraded on the new 777-200 config.. lieflat in first is awesome.. That said.. on that route I will be doing all I can to get upgraded
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Old Dec 23, 16, 8:32 pm
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K View Post
First, UA will not go 4 daily on SFO-ORD. Also, if you are planning on sitting in first, UA has 777's on the route that are far superior in first.
Oh, of course! I know they won't be decreasing volume. But, the article mentioned sending off flights in waves to make connections easier. For instance, 3 planes at 8am, 3 planes at noon, 3 planes at 4pm, and 3 planes at 8pm are still twelve flights per day, but it is much less flexible than doing one flight per hour/hour and a half as they are doing now.

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+1 Upgraded on the new 777-200 config.. lieflat in first is awesome.. That said.. on that route I will be doing all I can to get upgraded
The past few times I've flown SFO-ORD-SFO, I've made sure to book the 777s (in F). Haven't managed to get a lie-flat config yet. The Hawaiian config still beats the narrow-bodies by a mile, though. I will keep my fingers crossed!
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