Forced to gate check rollerboard on ERJ-145
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Per the FAA the ONLY items allowed to be carried in the cabin of ExpressJet ERJ are personal items. They utilize a lower average passenger weight that doesn't account for bags carried into the cabin. On say a CRJ-700 or 900 operated by ExpressJet (be it in the Delta world) the average passenger weights are higher because carry-on bags are allowed in the cabin on those aircraft for ExpressJet. It all has to do with how the carrier develops its approved weight and balance program within the Operations Specifications. Because the weight of a carry-on is NOT included in the passenger weight on a 145, they must be gate checked. This ensures their weight is accounted for separately. Consistent enforcement is difficult BUT if it's not a personal item it should not be brought into the cabin. Consider that the weight and balance of the aircraft is contingent on proper adherence to this policy.
If I have doubts (GA looks to be on a mission, etc.) I will carry it on by the handle instead of rolling it.
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Yes, flame me for being the grammar alt-write, but there is no such thing as a rollerboard.
Unless you are talking about one of these: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/...ller-board.jpg
Unless you are talking about one of these: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/...ller-board.jpg
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If you have 18C and D to yourself, a full sized rollerboard will fit sideways easily under the seats. I've managed that only on some very light load flights.
Problem with the "if it has wheels it gets gate-checked" policy is that I've seen duffle bags larger than the smallest rollerboard that were allowed on.
If you're really intent on bringing your bag on, your odds are better if you're not one of the first few on the plane.
Problem with the "if it has wheels it gets gate-checked" policy is that I've seen duffle bags larger than the smallest rollerboard that were allowed on.
If you're really intent on bringing your bag on, your odds are better if you're not one of the first few on the plane.
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I've taken the puddle jumper from EWR to DCA and back every week for the last few months. I have a small rollerboard that is just narrow enough to fit into the overhead bin of the ERJ 145, and so I always take it on board with me. Today, however, the flight attendant refused to allow me on board with it, even though I explained that it does fit, that I do it every week, and there was a ton of space as I was one of the first to board. She would have none of it and said that rollerboards were not allowed on board. I am wondering, is this an actual policy of United Express that's just very rarely enforced, or an overzealous employee? Does anyone know?
Common sense typically is overridden with either strict (overzealous) enforcement of policy because if they bend the rules for one, they figure they have to do it for everyone else.
And its incredibly frustrating especially if you are in a situation where you are in a bind....case in point delayed ERJ flight IADEWR with a connection from A to C reduced from 60+ mins to 30 mins. Before we boarded I asked the FA if I could stow my carry-on in the closet because I had a tight connection and waiting on arrival for the carry-on would surely make me miss my connection....the response was "no". Not even a "how about checking it" but a firm "no". So we land at EWR, pull up to gate but no rampers...so 10 mins pass we finally deplane, wait for carryon, take the silly bus from A to C, and end up at gate at T-5 but they closed the door.
Lessons learned:
1) Don't assume airline personnel are going to help
2) If Express to Mainline, build a 2+ hr connection time in EWR; 1+ in IAH
3) If Express to Mainline and anything less than connection times listed above, just check carry-on
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Wouldn't gate checking be easier? They usually get the bags off right away. It's not the hell you get waiting for luggage coming off the conveyor belt.
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Per the FAA the ONLY items allowed to be carried in the cabin of ExpressJet ERJ are personal items. They utilize a lower average passenger weight that doesn't account for bags carried into the cabin. On say a CRJ-700 or 900 operated by ExpressJet (be it in the Delta world) the average passenger weights are higher because carry-on bags are allowed in the cabin on those aircraft for ExpressJet. It all has to do with how the carrier develops its approved weight and balance program within the Operations Specifications. Because the weight of a carry-on is NOT included in the passenger weight on a 145, they must be gate checked. This ensures their weight is accounted for separately. Consistent enforcement is difficult BUT if it's not a personal item it should not be brought into the cabin. Consider that the weight and balance of the aircraft is contingent on proper adherence to this policy.
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Had a *wonderful* FA named Rodney do this to me on a DRO->DEN TransStates flight recently. I have a small Orvis bag (17") that fits on every plane in the United fleet, as does the Northface 19", yet Rodney was screaming at me and my fiance (#2 and #1 to board) saying it can't come on board if it has wheels. I reluctantly gate checked and when onboard asked him to show us the regulation.
The regulation says nothing about wheels, or weight, but is restricted by linear inches - I recall it being 51", but would have to check my notes. The Orvis bag is 17x8 so 50 total linear inches and complies with the regs as I recall.
All that said, now if I see a ERJ on the tarmac, I pick up my bag by the side handle and carry it onboard without event (haven't seen Rodney again though). The CRJ7 crews from GoJet and Skywest are much more friendly and usually say, with a smile, "that won't fit" and with a smile in return I say, "I'm sure it will ;-)" and it all usually works out fine.
Lastly, someone asked why not just gate check it? I can't count the number of times I've had an hour+ connection in DEN, that got whittled down to 20-30 mins due to weather, de-icing in DRO, or traffic control. Waiting an extra 5 minutes to get a gate checked bag can make all the difference when you have to run down to gate B24 from B90! My Orvis and Northface bags have saved me many a night in Denver... at least there is the Westin now if it happens!
The regulation says nothing about wheels, or weight, but is restricted by linear inches - I recall it being 51", but would have to check my notes. The Orvis bag is 17x8 so 50 total linear inches and complies with the regs as I recall.
All that said, now if I see a ERJ on the tarmac, I pick up my bag by the side handle and carry it onboard without event (haven't seen Rodney again though). The CRJ7 crews from GoJet and Skywest are much more friendly and usually say, with a smile, "that won't fit" and with a smile in return I say, "I'm sure it will ;-)" and it all usually works out fine.
Lastly, someone asked why not just gate check it? I can't count the number of times I've had an hour+ connection in DEN, that got whittled down to 20-30 mins due to weather, de-icing in DRO, or traffic control. Waiting an extra 5 minutes to get a gate checked bag can make all the difference when you have to run down to gate B24 from B90! My Orvis and Northface bags have saved me many a night in Denver... at least there is the Westin now if it happens!
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Crew bags are included in the operating weight of the airplane, along with the weight of the crew, average catering, etc., and their storage location is specified in the flight operations manual.
When I flew CRJs, for example, the stowage location for the crew's bags were in the overhead bins (at specific rows) in the CRJ-200 and CRJ-900, and behind the galley carts in the forward galley on the CRJ-700.
In the 737 the pilot's bag stowage location is on the flight deck. I don't know where the F/As bag stowage locations are.
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So fit or not is not the issue, but the way the aircraft FARs were filed. And the FA are obliged to enforce them.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Dec 20, 2016 at 9:02 pm Reason: FARs
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Side note. Normally we would have let the whole thing pass, but it was pissing rain and he blocked her from getting on the plane (tarmac/ramp setup) while she was at the top of the ramp and I was at the bottom of ramp with him literally screaming at me, both of us getting soaked.