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Kmxu Apr 13, 2022 10:00 am


Originally Posted by RobOnLI (Post 34161226)
Some time last night I was auto-assigned seats for my flights on Friday. The short-hop to EWR I was assigned an aisle in E- on a CRJ550. The long haul I was assigned 32D which is an aisle. My profile says I prefer window so that obviously makes no difference in BE seating. The flight is on a 757-200 and oddly it shows that there is no middle seat in that row. EF confirms this. There is now only a single E- seat available for selection in the last row, a window. If there really is no middle seat in that row I'd be happy with the aisle.

So far I can say: I was not assigned E+ (not expecting it), I was given a seat about midway through the cabin based on the open seat map last night (meaning 1Ks aren't assigned seats first as far as I can tell), UA dumped all E- seats to BE roughly 2.5 days before the flight.

I already cancelled that ticket and rebooked it this morning as the fare went down $20 :) We'll see what I'm re-assigned for a seat. I'm curious if it will happen during the day or if UA only does the assignment overnight, similar to how they're doing CPU processing now. Will continue to report back.

PS - yeah, I plan to ask for E+ at the gate or the lounge in EWR. Hopefully they will accommodate me.

-RM

If my detective work is correct, OP is going to take EWR-SNN tomorrow. UA is selling one business seat for this flight. There are five E+ seats unassigned, one window and the rest middle. In E-, there are eight unassigned seats, including previously assigned seat to OP (27D).
If OP is lucky, go to UC as early as possible. Hopefully, the remaining E+ seats are not assigned at that time.
Good luck!

lsquare Apr 13, 2022 10:04 am


Originally Posted by Kmxu (Post 34161785)
If my detective work is correct, OP is going to take EWR-SNN tomorrow. UA is selling one business seat for this flight. There are five E+ seats unassigned, one window and the rest middle. In E-, there are eight unassigned seats, including previously assigned seat to OP (27D).
If OP is lucky, go to UC as early as possible. Hopefully, the remaining E+ seats are not assigned at that time.
Good luck!

What is E-?

Flying Machine Apr 13, 2022 10:17 am


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 34161799)
What is E-?

A regular seat not economy plus😀

lsquare Apr 13, 2022 10:24 am


Originally Posted by Flying Machine (Post 34161837)
A regular seat not economy plus😀

I was wondering what economy negative means...

RobOnLI Apr 13, 2022 10:25 am


Originally Posted by Kmxu (Post 34161785)
If my detective work is correct, OP is going to take EWR-SNN tomorrow. UA is selling one business seat for this flight. There are five E+ seats unassigned, one window and the rest middle. In E-, there are eight unassigned seats, including previously assigned seat to OP (27D).
If OP is lucky, go to UC as early as possible. Hopefully, the remaining E+ seats are not assigned at that time.
Good luck!

You would fail miserably as a detective especially since I already said my flight is Friday, not Thursday :) Unless that's a rouse, of course, to make us believe you're a crappy detective. My post that you quoted literally said "Friday" in the first sentence.

-RM

RobOnLI Apr 13, 2022 7:47 pm

Another update. UA has changed the plane to a different 757-200 config based on the exit rows going from 20/21 to 21/22 with row 21 not having A or F. It went from a 757-200 version 1 (with 169 seats) to 757-200 version 3 (with 176 seats). The flight is now J1 and Y0 with two blocked up front.

There are no E- seats for choosing and I was not auto-assigned a seat again. EF shows two seats still blocked (same two as previous aircraft - 25BC). I guess if there are no E- seats for assignment before check-in that I will get a "See agent" on my BP?

-RM

aacharya Apr 13, 2022 8:56 pm


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 34161659)
How?

after the autoassign at checkin when I move to an e+ plus seat that's the upcharge. Funny thing is that a non E+ seat is more.

Flying Machine Apr 14, 2022 11:45 am


Originally Posted by RobOnLI (Post 34163264)
Another update. UA has changed the plane to a different 757-200 config based on the exit rows going from 20/21 to 21/22 with row 21 not having A or F. It went from a 757-200 version 1 (with 169 seats) to 757-200 version 3 (with 176 seats). The flight is now J1 and Y0 with two blocked up front.

There are no E- seats for choosing and I was not auto-assigned a seat again. EF shows two seats still blocked (same two as previous aircraft - 25BC). I guess if there are no E- seats for assignment before check-in that I will get a "See agent" on my BP?

-RM

Just checking in to see if you’re gonna be making the trip and how you’re making out with your seating

RobOnLI Apr 14, 2022 5:42 pm


Originally Posted by Flying Machine (Post 34165014)
Just checking in to see if you’re gonna be making the trip and how you’re making out with your seating

I am taking the flights especially since my Marriott SNA cleared for an Executive Suite which makes this trip all the better.

All day I've been watching the seat map and while the flight remains J1 Y0, the seat map has slowly had quite a few seats open up including middle seats in E-. I was starting to get nervous as there was 1 E+ window, several E+ aisles and the exit row window available (the one with no seat in front of it). I almost bought the exit row for $60 but decided to wait.

At T-23:10 I checked the seat map again and the window in E+ just disappeared (was there 10 minutes prior). My thought process is that as soon as I start the check-in process I'll be auto-assigned seats and they stick until I talk to someone in the lounge or at the gate. Well, I started OLCI and after getting the big orange warning about being on a basic economy fare I saw my seat assignments: 8D (E+ window for the short trip to EWR) and 8F (that one E+ window) for the long haul across the Atlantic. Somehow UA decided to auto assign me the last E+ window. THANK YOU, UNITED!! On both planes there are quite a few E- seats open. The EWR-TATL flight has 5 E-, 11 "Preferred" E- and about 5 E+.

Interesting to note: during OLCI it tells me I can select an E+ seat for $35, similar to the poster above. However, I can only select an E+ seat on the 30 minute short hop to EWR. And it wants to charge me $35 even though I'm in an E+ seat already. For EWR-TATL, the seat map will only show me E- seats and offers no chance to buy an E+ seat even though there are 5 unassigned right now.

Bottom line...I couldn't be happier (unless I'm able to take a bump and get comp for it and then route via FRA/MUC - haha). Still no idea why I got assigned E+ given the empty seats in E-.

Note: after the auto-assignment happened Tuesday night, no other seats have been auto assigned from what I can tell. I also have not been assigned any seats for the return on Monday.

PS - this is my first ever 'teal' colored boarding pass from the app. I'm not sure if this is a new color for "Travel Ready" (never was in the past) or it's a combo of Basic Economy + TATL? I thought Basic Economy was orange colored for BPs.

Edit 2: I was finally offered a $35 fee to change my E+ seat on the EWR-TATL flight. I think the $35 offers are only valid once the 24 hour check-in opens for each flight. Since I'm already in the best available E+ seat for free I think I'll pass :)

-RM

Flying Machine Apr 14, 2022 5:48 pm

Nice to hear that you ended up with the E+ Window on both flights! Enjoy your journey, I kept on saying it will all work out 😀

WineCountryUA Apr 16, 2022 9:31 pm

United Airlines Is Changing Its Cancellation Policy for Basic Economy — What to Know

United Airlines just made a major change to its basic economy fares, allowing customers to cancel them for the first time, the airline shared with Travel + Leisure.
...
Customers who choose to cancel a basic economy ticket will receive a flight credit for the price of their ticket, minus a fee. For domestic flights, the fee is $49.50 for one-way tickets and $99 for roundtrip tickets, while for international flights, the fee is $99.50 for one-way tickets and $199 for roundtrip tickets.
How is this different from buying up BE to regular economy?

diburning Apr 16, 2022 10:32 pm

Maybe they're counting on people who don't realize that they can buy up to regular economy and then cancel for no fee?

emcampbe Apr 17, 2022 4:17 pm

Can someone confirm what is in the fare code to indicate a [TPAC] BE fare?

I'm looking at SFO-SIN in Jun-Jul, and can't seem to find reasonable price directly on UA, but can find something much cheaper searching on Kayak, which sends me to UA to purchase. Searching directly brings much higher prices (and doesn't bring up the routing), and using multi-city to recreate brings up a much higher fare in M/V class, vs. the V Kayak is showing me a K class - booking into fare basis KHW00SO2. This is going SFO-SEA-NRT-SIN (all on NH except first domestic leg, return is SIN-NRT-LAX-SFO (all on UA except SIN-NRT). Kayak seems to indicate this is in 'basic economy, economy'.

I'm not getting the impression on the UA site that any of this is in 'basic' - I can select seats (NH TPAC flight is only showing middles, but maybe they charge for non-middle seats now?). Rules show the fare basis above, and specify 'change free of charge'.

Is there any way this could actually be a basic fare? I'm thinking Kayak is displaying the BE incorrectly, but want to make sure. Appreciate any insight.

findark Apr 17, 2022 7:36 pm

Basic Economy is -B0 fares in this market; -O2 is a regular Economy fare.

Compare:

Code:

    V FARE BASIS    BK    FARE  TRAVEL-TICKET AP  MINMAX  RTG
  1  KHW00SB0      K‡R  723.00    ----      -/‡ ‡‡/ 6M PA01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT                AUTO PRICE-YES             
FROM-SFO TO-SIN    CXR-UA    TVL-17APR22  RULE-2INW IPRP/3
FARE BASIS-KHW00SB0          SPECIAL FARE  DIS-E  VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-ERU      RT-ECONOMY RT UNBUNDLED
USD  723.00  0502  E30JAN21 D-INFINITY  FC-KHW00SB0  FN-M4 
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 05APR22/1310  EXPIRES INFINITY

...

          NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
  VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
  PACIFIC ROUNDTRIP BASIC ECONOMY FARES
  APPLICATION
    AREA

...

  CHANGES
 
    BEFORE DEPARTURE
      PER TICKET CHARGE USD 199.00 FOR CANCEL/REISSUE.
        NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          ANY MODIFICATION TO THE ITINERARY IS CONSIDERED
          AS A CANCEL. ORIGINAL TICKET MAY BE USED TOWARD
          THE PURCHASE OF A NEW TICKET USING CURRENT FARES.
          EMD AND MCO ARE NOT PERMITTED. APPLIES TO TRAVEL
          AGENCY ISSUED TICKETS
 
  AFTER DEPARTURE
      CHANGES NOT PERMITTED.

versus

Code:

    V FARE BASIS    BK    FARE  TRAVEL-TICKET AP  MINMAX  RTG
  1  KHW00SO2      K‡R  805.00    ----      -/‡ ‡‡/ 6M PA01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT                AUTO PRICE-YES             
FROM-SFO TO-SIN    CXR-UA    TVL-17APR22  RULE-2RNW IPRP/3
FARE BASIS-KHW00SO2          SPECIAL FARE  DIS-E  VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-XPN      RT-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE-TYPE FARES
USD  805.00  0502  E30JAN21 D-INFINITY  FC-KHW00SO2  FN-M4 
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 05APR22/1310  EXPIRES INFINITY

...

  NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
  VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
  PACIFIC ROUND TRIP NONREFUNDABLE ECONOMY FARES
  APPLICATION

...

  CHANGES
 
    ANY TIME
      CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE.
        NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          --
          --
              ////  CHANGE FREE OF CHARGE  ////
          --
          --
              CHANGE MADE TO OTHER THAN THE FIRST TICKETED
              FLIGHT COUPON
          --
          TICKETED RESERVATIONS NOT BEING USED ARE TO BE
          CANCELLED PRIOR TO THE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED
          FLIGHT OR TICKET HAS NO VALUE FOR NO SHOW
          --
          RETURN RESERVATIONS MAY BE SCHEDULED ANYTIME
          WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY -
          TICKET VALIDITY - WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET -
          TRAVEL MUST BEGIN WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE ORIGINAL
          TICKET ISSUANCE
          --
          TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED AT TIME WHEN
          VOLUNTARY CHANGE IS CONFIRMED
          --
          --
          IF CHANGES ARE MADE TO OTHER THAN THE FIRST
          TICKETED FLIGHT THE FARE LEVELS IN EFFECT AT
          TIME OF ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE WILL APPLY
          PROVIDED THE NEW ITINERARY QUALIFIES FOR
          ALL THE PROVISIONS OF THE ORIGINALLY TICKETED
          BOOKING CODE FARE /
          IGNORING ADVANCE RESERVATION OR TICKETING
          REQUIREMENTS.
          --
          CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE
          OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF UA INTERNATIONAL FARES
          --
          CHANGE TO OTHER THAN 1ST TKTD FLIGHT COUPON -
          --
            REPRICE USING CURRENTLY TKTD FARE IF RESULTS IN
            VALID SOLUTION FOR - KEEP THE FARE -
              SAME BOOKING CODE/SAME FARE BASIS CODE
          --
          PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
          --
          1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON/ NO CHANGE TO
            FARE BREAKS
          2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
            MUST BE DOMESTIC
          3. UA FARES ARE USED
          4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
            IGNORING ADV RES/TKG
          5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
            DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
          --
          EVEN REISSUE - KEEP THE FARE / SAME BOOKING CODE
          --
          OR
          --
          IF CHANGE RESULTS IN DIFFERENCE BASED ON
          ORIGINALLY TICKETED BOOKING CODE FARE DUE TO DAY
          OF WEEK TRAVEL/ SEASONALITY / CHANGE TO FARE
          BREAK POINT
          RECALCULATE FROM POINT OF ORIGIN -
          --
            REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS
            ISSUED // HISTORICAL FARES //
          --
          WHEN CHANGE TO OTHER THAN 1ST TKTD FLIGHT COUPON
          PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
          --
          1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON / CHANGE TO
            FARE BREAK POINT PERMITTED
          2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
            MUST BE DOMESTIC
          3. UA FARES ARE USED
          4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
          5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
            DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
          --
          WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN FARE DIFFERENCE
          --
          EVEN REISSUE / NO REFUND WILL BE MADE
          --
          ADD COLLECT FARE DIFFERENCE - IF APPLICABLE
          --
          OR
          --
          WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN FARE DIFFERENCE DUE TO
          ORIGINAL BOOKING CODE NOT AVAILABLE -
          RECALCULATE FROM POINT OF ORIGIN TO AN EQUAL /
          HIGHER QUALIFYING FARE FROM ORIGINAL TICKET
          ISSUE DATE
          --
          RECALCULATION TO LOWER FARE IS NOT PERMITTED
          --
            REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS
            ISSUED // HISTORICAL FARES//
          --
          WHEN CHANGE TO OTHER THAN 1ST TKTD FLIGHT COUPON
          --
          1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON / CHANGE TO
            FARE BREAK POINTS PERMITTED
          2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
            MUST BE DOMESTIC
          3. UA FARES ARE USED
          4. NEW TKT HAS - EQUAL OR HIGHER - FARE VALUE
            THAN PREVIOUS TKT
          5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
          6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
            DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
          --
            WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN FARE DIFFERENCE
            ADD COLLECT FARE DIFFERENCE - IF APPLICABLE
          --


emcampbe Apr 17, 2022 11:55 pm


Originally Posted by findark (Post 34173069)
Basic Economy is -B0 fares in this market; -O2 is a regular Economy fare.

Thank you for posting and the sample fare rules. So Kayak must have been reporting 'basic' in error.

Just curious - what is the 'special fare' notation in both of the rules near the top. Don't recall that being in the fare rules I see normally.


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