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Old Feb 21, 17, 2:36 pm
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Current 77W Routes:
SFO/HKG (UA 862/869) Started 25MAR17
EWR/TLV (UA 90/91) Started 5MAY17
SFO/NRT (UA 837/838) Started 14JUN17
SFO/TPE (UA 871/872) Started 1AUG17
SFO/FRA (UA 58/59) Started 5OCT17
EWR/NRT (UA 79/78) Started 28OCT17
SFO/AKL (UA 916/917) Resumes seasonal service 27OCT18 - 29MAR19 (non-seasonal 3x weekly service operated by 772)
SFO/LHR (UA 901/949) Started 23APR18, ends 26OCT18, resumes 30MAR19
SFO/TLV (UA 954/955) Started 23MAY18
EWR/BOM (UA 48/49) Started 27OCT18
EWR/HKG (UA 179/180) Started 30MAR19

Current Non-77W routes
772 Retrofit:
EWR/BRU (UA 999/998) Started 30MAR19
EWR/CDG (UA 57/56) Started 30MAR19
IAD/BRU (UA 950/951) Started 30MAR19
IAD/CDG (UA 915/914) Starts 29APR19
IAD/TLV (UA 72/73) Starts 22MAY19, 3x weekly
SFO/PEK (UA 888/889) Started 30MAR19
SFO/FRA (UA 926/927) Started 30MAR19
SFO/CDG (UA 990/984) Starts 29APR19
SFO/ICN (UA 805/806) Started 1APR19, 4x weekly
SFO/AKL (UA 916/917) Started off-season service 30MAR19, 3x weekly

Past routes:
EWR/FRA (UA 960/961) 24MAR18 - 31JUL18 (now operated by 78J)
SFO/EWR (various), currently operated by 752, 78J, 77G
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Old Aug 28, 16, 4:22 pm
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman View Post
Other aircraft are better suited for those relatively short routes.
SFO-HKG can be almost 14 hours flight time in the winter. It's currently serviced by a 744, which has similar range to the 77W. The other airlines flying the route (CX and SQ) also use 77Ws on it.

Of course, as an SFO-based flyer who typically flies in Y, I hope that SFO gets lots of A35Ks and virtually no B77Ws. Unfortunately I doubt that is realistic.
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Old Aug 28, 16, 4:28 pm
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Originally Posted by milypan View Post
SFO-HKG can be almost 14 hours flight time in the winter. It's currently serviced by a 744, which has similar range to the 77W. The other airlines flying the route (CX and SQ) also use 77Ws on it.

Of course, as an SFO-based flyer who typically flies in Y, I hope that SFO gets lots of A35Ks and virtually no B77Ws. Unfortunately I doubt that is realistic.
Years from now, I suspect SFO-HKG will see the A35J as all 77Ws will eventually be EWR based.
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Old Aug 28, 16, 4:31 pm
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Originally Posted by theasianguy View Post
... I think ICN/PEK will remain 747s until the first A350s come.
ICN showing B789 by April of next year.
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Old Aug 28, 16, 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by FrequentFlyKid View Post
Off topic as well but because I am curious....what was your coach fare class and what the offer?
Offer was ~$1750 for K --> GF (my original K fare was deeply discounted as well - effective cost one-way was <$300). I didn't take it, but it probably is a pretty good price outright.
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Old Aug 28, 16, 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by PsiFighter37 View Post
My (current) bird shows up as being a 3-class 763...
Thanks for correcting my error.
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Old Aug 28, 16, 6:05 pm
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Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28 View Post
3 will be sent to SFO rest to EWR.

Will fly domestic hub to hub routes prior to being put on intl routes

Will fly ULH routes out of EWR & SFO.

Rumored first intl routes I'm hearing are EWR-HKG & SFO-AKL.
They need that much more capacity on AKL?
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Old Aug 28, 16, 6:17 pm
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Any chance they will test these on EWR-SFO/LAX ps routes in December before deploying them on the long haul routes?
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Old Aug 29, 16, 3:42 am
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Originally Posted by CALMSP View Post
MD of Planning stated yesterday that the introduction of the 773 in EWR would start 1H17. That was in response to a question, so no true info if it was SFO or EWR first.
I would have to agree on the locations that have Polaris Lounges as the logical choice for the 1st flights.
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Old Aug 29, 16, 7:46 am
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Originally Posted by PsiFighter37 View Post
Offer was ~$1750 for K --> GF (my original K fare was deeply discounted as well - effective cost one-way was <$300). I didn't take it, but it probably is a pretty good price outright.
I had the same offer last year on a S fare to GF on a 3 class 763 flight EWR-LHR.
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Old Aug 29, 16, 8:11 am
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Originally Posted by PsiFighter37 View Post
Why? Given there are going to be the same number of J seats as there are GF + BF seats on the 772s, I would assume the probabilities of upgrades will likely be the same.
Well, more Y competing for those seats.

And to follow-on post, while current pmUA have 8GF, those seats are potentially available to BF upgraders, which opens up BF space for Y upgraders (of course, not always . . . )
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Old Aug 29, 16, 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by eric.chen3742 View Post
Any chance they will test these on EWR-SFO/LAX ps routes in December before deploying them on the long haul routes?
A chance, but nothing for certain. As mentioned up-thread, shorter hub-hub routes would allow more cycles to get everyone trained up.


Originally Posted by Cosmoc View Post
I would have to agree on the locations that have Polaris Lounges as the logical choice for the 1st flights.
First Polaris lounge will be ORD, which will not see the 773 for quite some time.
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Old Aug 29, 16, 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by drewguy View Post
And to follow-on post, while current pmUA have 8GF, those seats are potentially available to BF upgraders, which opens up BF space for Y upgraders (of course, not always . . . )
But that's not what typically happen. GF goes to non-revs. At least that's what I've been seeing on all my TPACs lately - e.g., 10/12 GF seats on a 744 go to nonrevs at the gate. It's pretty clear why UA is shutting down GF . . . they're not getting consistent marginal revenue from it.
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Old Aug 29, 16, 9:37 am
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But that's not what typically happen. GF goes to non-revs. At least that's what I've been seeing on all my TPACs lately - e.g., 10/12 GF seats on a 744 go to nonrevs at the gate. It's pretty clear why UA is shutting down GF . . . they're not getting consistent marginal revenue from it.
But it is amazing how little they have down since the merger to monetize the cabin, apart from the recent move to turn it into additional J seats.

I could never understand why they would not allow upgrades on discount business fares with a co-pay. I have to fly the cheapest business class available which usually means not upgrade eligible. So to use my GPUs I book Y and upgrade to J....
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Old Aug 29, 16, 10:10 am
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But it is amazing how little they have down since the merger to monetize the cabin, apart from the recent move to turn it into additional J seats.

I could never understand why they would not allow upgrades on discount business fares with a co-pay. I have to fly the cheapest business class available which usually means not upgrade eligible. So to use my GPUs I book Y and upgrade to J....
Oh I completely agree. Not saying it couldn't be profitable, but the way UA has managed it, the seats are mostly going to non-revs these days.
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Old Aug 30, 16, 5:27 pm
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Business class on flights to NZ is generally quite expensive, there's not a huge amount of competition, and Air NZ is well respected/has a decent business class. I think I can fully understand why UA would operate Polaris on SFO-AKL - although using the 772 around Christmas might not help their reputation in the short term (not that the 787 holds up that well in comparison to NZ either)?
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