Need help (another "significant or marketing carrier" baggage allowance question)
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Need help (another "significant or marketing carrier" baggage allowance question)
I don't know why I am finding this so complicated
I'm flying R/T on a 016 ticket SFO-SIN on a biz class P fare, then SIN-DPS in Economy -- all on one ticket.
Which means both most significant carrier and marketing carrier are UA, correct?
So, on my return, do I get 3 bags @50 lbs or 3@70 lbs?
When I plug in my itinerary to the UA baggage calculator I get:
DPS to SFO economy
Up to 62.0 linear inches (157cm) L + W + H and 70.0 lbs (32 kg) per bag....Check up to three bags at no charge.
But when I put in my booking #:
Denpasar Bali, ID (DPS) to San Francisco, CA, US (SFO)
1st bag $0 2nd bag $0 Weight per bag50.0 lbs (23 kgs)
SQ's site says:
Economy Class To and from the USA and/or Canada: 2 pieces, up to 23kg each... Star Gold 1 extra piece
But then goes on to say: In accordance with the US Department of Transportation's regulations, for travel originating or travel ending in the United States, if the first carrier on your booking is not Singapore Airlines, that carrier’s baggage policy may apply for the whole itinerary....
If your first flight originates from any other US city or the first flight does not have an SQ flight number, the baggage policy of the first carrier may apply to the whole itinerary (per US Department of Transportation rules).
Does "first carrier on my itinerary" mean the FIRST as in UA in SFO?, or do they mean the first on my return, which would be SQ at DPS?
What am I missing here?
I'm flying R/T on a 016 ticket SFO-SIN on a biz class P fare, then SIN-DPS in Economy -- all on one ticket.
Which means both most significant carrier and marketing carrier are UA, correct?
So, on my return, do I get 3 bags @50 lbs or 3@70 lbs?
When I plug in my itinerary to the UA baggage calculator I get:
DPS to SFO economy
Up to 62.0 linear inches (157cm) L + W + H and 70.0 lbs (32 kg) per bag....Check up to three bags at no charge.
But when I put in my booking #:
Denpasar Bali, ID (DPS) to San Francisco, CA, US (SFO)
1st bag $0 2nd bag $0 Weight per bag50.0 lbs (23 kgs)
SQ's site says:
Economy Class To and from the USA and/or Canada: 2 pieces, up to 23kg each... Star Gold 1 extra piece
But then goes on to say: In accordance with the US Department of Transportation's regulations, for travel originating or travel ending in the United States, if the first carrier on your booking is not Singapore Airlines, that carrier’s baggage policy may apply for the whole itinerary....
If your first flight originates from any other US city or the first flight does not have an SQ flight number, the baggage policy of the first carrier may apply to the whole itinerary (per US Department of Transportation rules).
Does "first carrier on my itinerary" mean the FIRST as in UA in SFO?, or do they mean the first on my return, which would be SQ at DPS?
What am I missing here?
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I don't know why I am finding this so complicated
I'm flying R/T on a 016 ticket SFO-SIN on a biz class P fare, then SIN-DPS in Economy -- all on one ticket.
Which means most both significant carrier and marketing carrier are UA, correct?
So, on my return, do I get 3 bags @50 lbs or 3@70 lbs?
When I plug in my itinerary to the UA baggage calculator I get:
DPS to SFO economy
Up to 62.0 linear inches (157cm) L + W + H and 70.0 lbs (32 kg) per bag....Check up to three bags at no charge.
But when I put in my booking #:
Denpasar Bali, ID (DPS) to San Francisco, CA, US (SFO)
1st bag $0 2nd bag $0 Weight per bag50.0 lbs (23 kgs)
SQ's site says:
Economy Class To and from the USA and/or Canada: 2 pieces, up to 23kg each... Star Gold 1 extra piece
But then goes on to say: In accordance with the US Department of Transportation's regulations, for travel originating or travel ending in the United States, if the first carrier on your booking is not Singapore Airlines, that carrier’s baggage policy may apply for the whole itinerary....
If your first flight originates from any other US city or the first flight does not have an SQ flight number, the baggage policy of the first carrier may apply to the whole itinerary (per US Department of Transportation rules).
Does "first carrier on my itinerary" mean the FIRST as in UA in SFO?, or do they mean the first on my return, which would be SQ at DPS?
What am I missing here?
I'm flying R/T on a 016 ticket SFO-SIN on a biz class P fare, then SIN-DPS in Economy -- all on one ticket.
Which means most both significant carrier and marketing carrier are UA, correct?
So, on my return, do I get 3 bags @50 lbs or 3@70 lbs?
When I plug in my itinerary to the UA baggage calculator I get:
DPS to SFO economy
Up to 62.0 linear inches (157cm) L + W + H and 70.0 lbs (32 kg) per bag....Check up to three bags at no charge.
But when I put in my booking #:
Denpasar Bali, ID (DPS) to San Francisco, CA, US (SFO)
1st bag $0 2nd bag $0 Weight per bag50.0 lbs (23 kgs)
SQ's site says:
Economy Class To and from the USA and/or Canada: 2 pieces, up to 23kg each... Star Gold 1 extra piece
But then goes on to say: In accordance with the US Department of Transportation's regulations, for travel originating or travel ending in the United States, if the first carrier on your booking is not Singapore Airlines, that carrier’s baggage policy may apply for the whole itinerary....
If your first flight originates from any other US city or the first flight does not have an SQ flight number, the baggage policy of the first carrier may apply to the whole itinerary (per US Department of Transportation rules).
Does "first carrier on my itinerary" mean the FIRST as in UA in SFO?, or do they mean the first on my return, which would be SQ at DPS?
What am I missing here?
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Are you checking in w/ UA or SQ on the way back? Checking in at UA, you'd still get 3 bags at 70lbs (the 3rd 70-pounder via 1K status). Checking in with SQ, you get the UA-defined (read: non-Premier) bag policy (2 70lb bags), plus "an extra bag" for *G status. If SQ wanted to be annoying, you'd get only a 50lb allowance on third bag.
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Are you checking in w/ UA or SQ on the way back? Checking in at UA, you'd still get 3 bags at 70lbs (the 3rd 70-pounder via 1K status). Checking in with SQ, you get the UA-defined bag policy (2 70lb bags), plus "an extra bag" for *G status. If SQ wanted to be annoying, you'd get only a 50lb allowance on third bag.
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FWIW, marketing carrier has nothing to do with the 016 plating - it's whether the flights were booked as codeshare or not.
The "first flight" is first flight of each portion of travel. For your return, it would be DPS-SIN.
The "first flight" is first flight of each portion of travel. For your return, it would be DPS-SIN.
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Per DOT rules, first segment is he first segment of the entire itinerary, and that basis is used for the entire itinerary. If this is booked as a round trip, the regular (non-elite) UA allowance applies when leaving DPS, plus one extra for *G. If booked as separate one ways, only then will SQ allowance apply coming back.
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Key issue in these discussions is to remember the IATA and DOT rules refer to the standard bag allowance for the tickets (this is typically based on the fare class / cabin). Elite privileges are a separate issue and may or may be granted - not guaranteed by the IATA or DOT. That is at the discretion of the check-in carrier.
So when checking in with UA you will get the better of the MSC/DOT rules and/or your UA elite benefits.
With checking-in with a *A carrier you will get the MSC/DOT rules plus your *A elite benefit. (need to check with the carrier to determine if this is weigh or bag count addition and if the bag count is just 50 lbs or higher).
When checking-in with a non-*A carrier you will get the MSC/DOT rules -- there will be no elite benefits adder in most cases.
So when checking in with UA you will get the better of the MSC/DOT rules and/or your UA elite benefits.
With checking-in with a *A carrier you will get the MSC/DOT rules plus your *A elite benefit. (need to check with the carrier to determine if this is weigh or bag count addition and if the bag count is just 50 lbs or higher).
When checking-in with a non-*A carrier you will get the MSC/DOT rules -- there will be no elite benefits adder in most cases.
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Thanks for the replies. I may be more confused than ever
I bought my ticket thru UA, the tkt # is 016. Paid business P class, but booked the short SIN-DPS hop in E (and saved a thousand bucks).
The SQ portion is NOT a code share, its a SQ #.
I don't know? Can I check in with UA? I doubt it -- I always check in w NH even when its a codeshare. I have flown this route tons but am always on a separate SQ ticket, so I check in w SQ and later w UA. The reservations show as linked once I check my bags.
Not a typo - sorry if its misleading. I typed DPS-SFO into the calculator because that's the only part I'm concerned about. I know I can have 3@70 on the outbound.
I bought my ticket thru UA, the tkt # is 016. Paid business P class, but booked the short SIN-DPS hop in E (and saved a thousand bucks).
The SQ portion is NOT a code share, its a SQ #.
I don't know? Can I check in with UA? I doubt it -- I always check in w NH even when its a codeshare. I have flown this route tons but am always on a separate SQ ticket, so I check in w SQ and later w UA. The reservations show as linked once I check my bags.
Not a typo - sorry if its misleading. I typed DPS-SFO into the calculator because that's the only part I'm concerned about. I know I can have 3@70 on the outbound.
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Key issue in these discussions is to remember the IATA and DOT rules refer to the standard bag allowance for the tickets (this is typically based on the fare class / cabin). Elite privileges are a separate issue and may or may be granted - not guaranteed by the IATA or DOT. That is at the discretion of the check-in carrier.
So when checking in with UA you will get the better of the MSC/DOT rules and/or your UA elite benefits.
With checking-in with a *A carrier you will get the MSC/DOT rules plus your *A elite benefit. (need to check with the carrier to determine if this is weigh or bag count addition and if the bag count is just 50 lbs or higher).
When checking-in with a non-*A carrier you will get the MSC/DOT rules -- there will be no elite benefits adder in most cases.
So when checking in with UA you will get the better of the MSC/DOT rules and/or your UA elite benefits.
With checking-in with a *A carrier you will get the MSC/DOT rules plus your *A elite benefit. (need to check with the carrier to determine if this is weigh or bag count addition and if the bag count is just 50 lbs or higher).
When checking-in with a non-*A carrier you will get the MSC/DOT rules -- there will be no elite benefits adder in most cases.
So one more question. Since I'm in E on the first (much shorter) flight, but Business on the TPAC, am I still considered E class to SQ? Is that where significant carrier could come into play? In which case I would get 2x70 as my business class allowance and an extra 1x50 for being *G ?
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The relevant info. is going to be the marketing carrier for the first flight - i.e., when you look at your itinerary, for the first flight, who's airline code is in front of the first flight. If it says, for example, UA 1, it is UAs bag rules which will be the guide for the entire itinerary. If it was (again, just a completely made up example), NZ 9809, then it would be NZ rules that would govern everything. Including the return. The SQ flight (which isn't the first flight, presumably) or any other downline flights are irrelevant to calculate baggage fees.
Ticket issuer (UA in this case), and fare class is irrelevant to marketing carrier. Who's airline code is in front of the first flight on the itinerary is all that matters.
I don't know? Can I check in with UA? I doubt it -- I always check in w NH even when its a codeshare. I have flown this route tons but am always on a separate SQ ticket, so I check in w SQ and later w UA. The reservations show as linked once I check my bags.
Not a typo - sorry if its misleading. I typed DPS-SFO into the calculator because that's the only part I'm concerned about. I know I can have 3@70 on the outbound.
Not a typo - sorry if its misleading. I typed DPS-SFO into the calculator because that's the only part I'm concerned about. I know I can have 3@70 on the outbound.