Jul 19, 2016, 5:32 am
SGN service ending [Effective October, 2016]
Jul 16, 2016, 7:44 am
#76
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No JV revenue/cost share on intra-Asian flights. They may do this, but they're just giving revenue to a competitor. So basically they share the over-water revenue (that they had to themselves) with NH and lose all the revenue on the leg to Saigon.
This is nothing more than a poorly organized retreat out of Asia.
This is nothing more than a poorly organized retreat out of Asia.
Jul 16, 2016, 8:27 am
#77
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The JV is fine. But we loose about 2800 miles (one way) toward MM status as well as have to sit in those awful NQ seats. If these flights were NH operated it'd be somewhat more tolerable.
Jul 16, 2016, 8:38 am
#78
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Jul 16, 2016, 8:48 am
#79
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At a time when UA is substantially increasing TPAC non-stop destinations, this comment is simply absurd. UA launches service to SIN, you deem it a failure (despite strong evidence to the contrary). UA stops serving SGN with a 737 tag - a move that was predicted here by many for some time as just common sense, and will affect very few - and it's a retreat from Asia." 
Jul 16, 2016, 9:42 am
#80
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ANA's joint venture page clearly lists Ho Chi Minh as a JV city. ANA and United Airlines Launched Joint Venture
Jul 16, 2016, 10:10 am
#81
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Jul 16, 2016, 11:20 am
#82
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Also incorrect.
Again: Incorrect.
Jul 16, 2016, 12:46 pm
#83
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Does anyone have an exact date of the last flight? I'm on UA179 HKG-SGN 16OCT.
Schedule changes often roll out Saturdays, and I'm still looking good as far as I can tell.
Schedule changes often roll out Saturdays, and I'm still looking good as far as I can tell.
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Jul 16, 2016, 1:18 pm
#84
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Wow, I had assumed that UA would be doing well with SGN but I guess we are ending the only 737 service so they are not doing well.
A friend of mine goes there with his whole family. He goes with the cheapest - I think CX/KE this year, BR 2 years ago and UA 4 years ago...
BR is very aggressive with VN connecting traffic. They have Vietnamese FAs and GAs on US routes and constantly trying to increase the TPE-SGN/HAN capacity, which is limited by the bilateral. CI is probably the same - not to mention the rest of the carriers - NH, OZ, KE, CX and maybe even the Mainland Chinese carriers. Better service, frequency and lower prices. I guess it makes sense for UA to stop....
I also see down the road there will be a SFO-SGN nonstop on UA.
A friend of mine goes there with his whole family. He goes with the cheapest - I think CX/KE this year, BR 2 years ago and UA 4 years ago...
BR is very aggressive with VN connecting traffic. They have Vietnamese FAs and GAs on US routes and constantly trying to increase the TPE-SGN/HAN capacity, which is limited by the bilateral. CI is probably the same - not to mention the rest of the carriers - NH, OZ, KE, CX and maybe even the Mainland Chinese carriers. Better service, frequency and lower prices. I guess it makes sense for UA to stop....
I also see down the road there will be a SFO-SGN nonstop on UA.
Jul 16, 2016, 3:31 pm
#85
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As others have mentioned, I'm sure flying a 737 on this route vs. the competition did UA no favors. That said, I would have to imagine that once UA starts taking 77W / A350 deliveries, they should be able to re-size routes that they are flying on Dreamliners but could use more capacity (e.g. LAX-NRT, the Australian routes) back to 772s and start utilizing the Dreamliners on long/thin routes like SFO-SGN (or BKK, or maybe IAD-JNB somewhere in the distant future).
Sure, it doesn't help the lifetime mileage balance, but if NH is stepping in with a second flight, almost solely (it seems) for the purpose of making UA connections at NRT more convenient...that is how a good JV partner should be helping out...
Sure, it doesn't help the lifetime mileage balance, but if NH is stepping in with a second flight, almost solely (it seems) for the purpose of making UA connections at NRT more convenient...that is how a good JV partner should be helping out...
Jul 16, 2016, 6:31 pm
#86
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Wow.. I'm booked LAX-SFO-HKG-SGN end of November and then early December SGN-HKG-EWR that ties into another *Carrier (separate Ticket) JFK-GRU. I booked the SGN trip as it was good value (meeting a friend from HKG in SGN) and needed the mileage for Elite Status. When do you think we will hear from UA. I wanted the UA Mileage BIS too as I am approaching MM status. Any thoughts? Will they just use other UA equipment and not from Micro or do you think they will be abandoning the routing? Thanks and Safe Travels
Jul 16, 2016, 7:12 pm
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Jul 16, 2016, 7:20 pm
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Jul 16, 2016, 8:06 pm
#90
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ANA's joint venture page clearly lists Ho Chi Minh as a JV city. ANA and United Airlines Launched Joint VentureYou'd be wrong then. ANA specifically calls out Narita-HCMC as a route that's successful as a result of being part of the JV (http://www.anahd.co.jp/en/investors/...l/13/13_09.pdf).
As I said, I don't know. The JV encompasses code sharing, schedule coordination, etc. ...not just revenue sharing. Revenue sharing generally requires ATI (anti-trust immunity) from all involved jurisdictions.
If anybody actually knows which routes are part of the revenue share, I'd be anxious to learn.