Is this United's new business class layout?
Mar 10, 2016, 6:05 pm
#16
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Um, your head goes where the person behind you has their feet??? Even with a raised barrier (which I am sure there will be), that seems way to close... smell doesn't stop at a plastic shield...
*Some people here keep saying, "Looks great, 1-2-1" what picture are you looking at? Its 2-4-2 in business.
I get the direct aisle access could be an improvement over their current 2-4-2, just better hope your neighbors fungal foot infection doesn't shake into your salad when they take their socks off....
*Some people here keep saying, "Looks great, 1-2-1" what picture are you looking at? Its 2-4-2 in business.
I get the direct aisle access could be an improvement over their current 2-4-2, just better hope your neighbors fungal foot infection doesn't shake into your salad when they take their socks off....
Mar 10, 2016, 6:06 pm
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Looks tight on paper, will have to wait and see what the actual hard product is like if this is what it is.
From the link as well, it sounds like the 77Ws will be based out of EWR. That is kind of surprising, given that they are accelerating retirements of the 744s - none of which fly out of EWR. Does this mean they are likely to rotate sCO 772s to ORD and SFO then?
From the link as well, it sounds like the 77Ws will be based out of EWR. That is kind of surprising, given that they are accelerating retirements of the 744s - none of which fly out of EWR. Does this mean they are likely to rotate sCO 772s to ORD and SFO then?
Mar 10, 2016, 6:06 pm
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Without seeing the seat, it appears to address some of the complaints about the existing set of UA biz seats..
- Direct aisle access
- Longer bed length
- Larger foot space
If it's a similar seat to the Sogerma (now Stelia) Solstys, there should be adequate storage space and a sturdy traytable. I also like the fact that it provides a solution for couples traveling together.
Now that the cat is nearly out of the bag, it's time for United to make an announcement.
Many staggered flat business class products position the feet of the pax behind in close proximity to the head of the passenger in front. Nothing novel about this.
- Direct aisle access
- Longer bed length
- Larger foot space
If it's a similar seat to the Sogerma (now Stelia) Solstys, there should be adequate storage space and a sturdy traytable. I also like the fact that it provides a solution for couples traveling together.
Now that the cat is nearly out of the bag, it's time for United to make an announcement.
Um, your head goes where the person behind you has their feet??? Even with a raised barrier (which I am sure there will be), that seems way to close... smell doesn't stop at a plastic shield...
*Some people here keep saying, "Looks great, 1-2-1" what picture are you looking at? Its 2-4-2 in business.
I get the direct aisle access could be an improvement over their current 2-4-2, just better hope your neighbors fungal foot infection doesn't shake into your salad when they take their socks off....
*Some people here keep saying, "Looks great, 1-2-1" what picture are you looking at? Its 2-4-2 in business.
I get the direct aisle access could be an improvement over their current 2-4-2, just better hope your neighbors fungal foot infection doesn't shake into your salad when they take their socks off....
Mar 10, 2016, 6:11 pm
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This is the TG 773ER. It's a true 1-2-1, obviously quite different from the suspected new UA layout.
Mar 10, 2016, 6:15 pm
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I don't think they care about competing.
Now - if the new seats are as well padded as the IPTE seats, that would be a plus.
And instead of four rows of E+ in the forward end of the aircraft, 3 rows of true premium economy would be nice.
Now - if the new seats are as well padded as the IPTE seats, that would be a plus.
And instead of four rows of E+ in the forward end of the aircraft, 3 rows of true premium economy would be nice.
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Mar 10, 2016, 6:23 pm
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Competing on FlyerTalk = offering a world class premium product that one can always upgrade into from a discounted Y seat.
Competing in real life = offering a competitive product that people will pay for while still enabling a financially viable upgrade model.
Competing in real life = offering a competitive product that people will pay for while still enabling a financially viable upgrade model.
Mar 10, 2016, 6:23 pm
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Mar 10, 2016, 6:26 pm
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I agree. UA has no intention of competing with the top-tier airlines in terms of cabin space per passenger. UA will go for mid- to high-density. Face it - UA is the equivalent of DoubleTree, not Ritz-Carlton.
As someone no longer travelling on OPM, I think a denser layout will be beneficial to me and, yes, I would now stay at a DT, vs R-C on OPM.
As someone no longer travelling on OPM, I think a denser layout will be beneficial to me and, yes, I would now stay at a DT, vs R-C on OPM.
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Mar 10, 2016, 6:27 pm
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More passengers in the same space. On the aisle you have someone next to you and behind you, as opposed to the Solstys, where you only have someone behind you. In the middle, you're sharing space with three other people, rather than having only one person next to you. It's just not a true 1-2-1. It's 2-4-2.
Mar 10, 2016, 6:28 pm
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These aircraft are going to be used on long haul routes. You can't tell me that UA is going to make more money with 40 Y seats than they could with 32 PE seats.
Later this year, MsHalls120 and I will be flying to Europe to see my new grandchild. I'm going to try and fly UA in BF, but if I can't find something reasonable, we're going BA, LH or AF.
Mar 10, 2016, 6:30 pm
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+2 Even though i had the equivalent on the BA A380 of what is shown as seat 1G in Post 2 illustration ('middle bulkhead' with direct aisle access) - found it to be an inferior business class product with flight attendant reaching across the person in the aisle seat to serve me, etc.
If you want to compare it to to UA's current 2-4-2 I can see you labeling it an improvement for the middle seats, but this still looks light years inferior to so many other 1-2-1 'direct aisle access' business class options.
As one who has stopped playing the loyalty game, it won't have me considering UA for Intl Biz if there are other options on that route.
If you want to compare it to to UA's current 2-4-2 I can see you labeling it an improvement for the middle seats, but this still looks light years inferior to so many other 1-2-1 'direct aisle access' business class options.
As one who has stopped playing the loyalty game, it won't have me considering UA for Intl Biz if there are other options on that route.
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Mar 10, 2016, 6:33 pm
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Mar 10, 2016, 6:36 pm
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More passengers in the same space. On the aisle you have someone next to you and behind you, as opposed to the Solstys, where you only have someone behind you. In the middle, you're sharing space with three other people, rather than having only one person next to you. It's just not a true 1-2-1. It's 2-4-2.
Mar 10, 2016, 6:38 pm
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http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Eti..._777-300ER.php
Personally was hoping for the Japan Airlines / Oman Air seat (also a high density layout) - but this works well and is officially a generation ahead of the Cirrus seat AA uses.
No one is griping about Etihad not having a top business class product.
Here's a video
Also remember these birds will be competing against Etihad, Qatar, Emirates for the India / Asia traffic. No premium economy on Etihad or Qatar.
And business class seating will now be equivalent, maybe better depending on customization.
Mar 10, 2016, 6:39 pm
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Just out of curiosity, how reliable is the writer's sources?