Longboater

http://www.briansumers.com/home/2016...g-747s-by-2018

Thought this topic deserved a thread of its own. So much for keeping them around until 2020. One word: Maintenance. Despite cheap oil, the maintenance of keeping four holers until many of them turn thirty is just too expensive for UA to justify the cost. DL is dumping them as fast they as can although the Yen devaluation is much more of a factor. Initially they planned to retire them in 2018 as well.

I suspect we'll soon here of a top off order of either the 77W or 787-9 to cover the replacement of the extra planes as the first A35J isn't supposed to arrive until October 2018. One of the dumbest fleet decisions UA made since exiting bankruptcy was not ordering the 77W sooner and waiting until they became cheap relatively speaking.

blueman2

Well, not unexpected, but sad nonetheless. Not that I am nostalgic. I just loved the upper deck and the F section of that plane. I I have flown it since shortly after it was released. OK, maybe I am nostalgic

JumboJet

End of an era!

rittenhousesq

Two of my greatest memories of flying: walking up the steps to the business cabin on the upper deck for the first time on a flight from ORD-HKG in 2005 and sitting in 1K in the nose of the plane in First class and experiencing take off on a flight to NRT.

Yea, it may not offer the greatest experience back in coach, but the first class cabin is like nothing else and the upper deck is a great place as well!

BearX220

Taking all that Y inventory offline also suits UA's capacity-constraint strategy, which will be important in the next recession.

JeffSmisekMustGo

Leaving out the words ’may ’ and ’considering ’ from your post definitely sensationalized your comments, but is deceptive and I can’t think it’s more than an attempt to propagate misleading information.

Regardless of what you may have thought was said, it indeed was not what was reported.

kevanyalowitz

Agreed. "May" needs to be added here.

I for one hope that this does not come to pass.

transportbiz

Oh, come on guys, the article itself is a blog, it's not from the NY Times. So, the entire thing is speculation. But, it seems speculation based on new comments from United management. I love the 747, think it is the best passenger aircraft ever made. But, of course it's coming to pass, that these birds will no longer exist in the US3 fleets. It's interesting that the story didn't mention Lufthansa flying the 747-800 and most like will continue to do so for at least 15 years.

It's all about the strategy airlines what to pursue. And down gauging, is the strategy most US based carriers, there's nothing speculative there, it's what they have been doing and is the plan they have publicly stated for the future (and Japan based it seems) want to pursue. ME and other Asian and European carriers, seem to be keeping the concept of heavy capacity, long routes alive.

blackllotus

From the article:

As others have pointed out, this plan is conditional.

This is news to me! I'm glad I fly out of SFO

wxguy

Just to be precise, it's the 747-8, not -800.

entropy

I suspect a lot of it depends on what the fundamental level of demand is going to be to/from China (e.g. what their economy actually looks like) .

If they can fill 60 J seats but have to discount or leave empty a ton of economy, then it makes lots of sense to sub in a 777 and beer-can the 74's.

Given that they're not really going to be using NRT and HKG as a hublettes in Asia, it doesn't make sense to chase those extra seats for another fleet (expensive to operate/maintain) type.

transportbiz

Well, like Cadillac's nomenclature, sorry I can't keep up with the alphabet soup.

rmadisonwi

Basically, any Boeing variant launched since the 787 does not have 00s at the end of its version.

dmurphynj

Hard for me to call the 77W a real downgauge; seating capacity is almost the same - if not more in dense configs.

I think UA actually played this one very well. The 77W is a solid aircraft, and they're getting them for a song.

mkrecek

I'm sure UA will buy the 748 now since I emailed 1K Voice.


Dear 1K Voice,

I just read an article that United is looking into retiring all its 747s by 2018 instead of 2020.
With that, I just changed my upcoming LAX-NRT direct flight on the 787, so that I would be able to return on the 747 going through SFO. So instead of getting back into LAX by 10:50am, I will be getting back at 3:15pm (and paying $10 more), just in time for rush hour traffic. But it is worth it since the 747 is a great plane to fly.

When a 747 goes by at the airport, everybody notices. Nobody looks when a 777 goes by, because it looks like a 737, only larger…nothing to see. When I travel with companions at SFO and they see the row of United 747s all lined up at the international terminal, they are always impressed and inspired. They want to fly!

Soon to being the only US carrier to fly the 747, this will give reason for people to want to fly United.
Ordering a fleet of 747-8s would obviously be major news and would inspire a generation of young and old travelers to want to fly United.

Well it looks like United will become another generic airline like all the others. Too bad.

A few other things:
- A 2-engine plane across the Pacific (LAX/SFO - Australia) is not reassuring.

- People fly International First Class. With the Smisek era, they decided to dumb down GF then say that it is just a bigger seat (so don’t fly in Global First…great anti-advertisement!). There is this thing called competition and United could try it sometime….they could have a great product.

- Get them when they are young…getting a deck of cards/wings pin, etc. was such a big deal for me, United became my favorite airline. Even thought I should have left when the merger with its horrible Fresh Brew, and generic livery came in, I stuck by United, all based on memories from when I was a kid.


Just my 2˘,