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beachmouse Apr 3, 19 9:42 am


Originally Posted by ExplorerWannabe (Post 30958828)
I like public shaming when dealing with a self-entitled jerk like that. "I'm sorry you unpacked everything and got yourself settled in my seat but an experienced traveler like you must know that people select seats for a reason. I appreciate the fact you like my seat, I chose it for a reason and it's too bad you didn't select it first but don't give me your song-and-dance or try to bully me, just get out of my seat please."

Or what's supposed to the the old Emily Post- "I'm sorry but that doesn't work for me" because traditional manners don't require that one justify or explain their actions in high detail and any explanation on your part gives the other person leverage in trying to change your mind and accept a solution that is not as good for your needs.

Aussienarelle Apr 3, 19 10:05 am


Originally Posted by polarbears (Post 30959416)
Yeah, that really sucks (in particular the gender dynamics at display...)....

I have seen gender dynamics work both ways.

An arrogant German male who expected my female cousin to sit in his middle (2-4-2 configuration) to accommodate his demand to sit in the aisle seat and not his assigned middle seat and took a FA intervening.

A young female who sat in 6D next to me in 6E and commented to me it was a very nice seat (and I agreed). When Mr 6D turned up she tried to persuade him to sit in her window seat a few seats back and then when her female "wiles" did not work asked me (a female) to convince him it would be the gentlemanly thing to do. My response was she should sit in her assigned seat. The FA needed to intervene to ensure Mr 6D got his assigned seat.

I detest seat poachers - irrespective of their gender.

perkele Apr 3, 19 10:14 am


Originally Posted by gold23 (Post 30960021)
A few hours in I thanked the FA, and he said that his crew has gotten pretty good at handling those situations. He doesn't escalate, stays calm, and informs them that UA can take care of them.....but it's not going to be on this plane at this time.

these situations are, unfortunately, all too common on this route. i've observed the same magic by FAs several times - they somehow always manage to calmly find a solution that works for everyone.

gold23 Apr 3, 19 11:11 am


Originally Posted by heikki (Post 30960639)
these situations are, unfortunately, all too common on this route. i've observed the same magic by FAs several times - they somehow always manage to calmly find a solution that works for everyone.

I fly it 2-3 times per year, primarily for business, and it's a very difficult route for FA. I actually have switched seats a bunch of times, almost always for a family that is splurging on that huge trip and have some separation between them in J. With Polaris now, I don't much care if its for a good reason. But I'll hold my ground if it is an entitled individual trying to improve their seating assignment at my expense.

There also seems to be a LOT of DYKWIA on this route and many of the summer EWR-Europe routes, with folks assuming expensive tickets=special treatment.

ExplorerWannabe Apr 3, 19 11:52 am


Originally Posted by onthesam (Post 30959872)
Not all GS are frequent flyers. Just sayin'

No but if you start off by assuming their status implies a level of experience, you put the monkey on their back of explaining why, as an ultra-elite status flyer, they don't know how to get to the right seat. IMO, take their elite status and turn it into a detriment in this situation because they're CLEARLY being rude and arrogant by taking your seat if they do know better. They can always respond saying they've been up a long time or traveling a while and had a brain fart on which seat they had -- or that they just miscounted rows. It's happened to me a few times so it may even be true.

nomad420 Apr 3, 19 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by gold23 (Post 30960021)
So I had almost this exact situation occur on a flight from EWR-TLV a few months back. Poacher was sitting in my seat (I was pulled out for random check upon boarding and ended up with the end of BG1- I am fairly certain poacher was not GS). He claimed "religious reasons" for his need to sit there. I explained I shared his religion, and though I was considerably less observant, I was well aware that there were no valid religious reasons for him to move. He became belligerent, threatening to make my flight unpleasant if he were forced to cede my seat to me. Luckily a FA was close by, and he came over as he saw a brewing confrontation. After another thirty seconds of a standoff, I looked over to FA. He asked to seat BPs, told the poacher he was in the wrong seat and needed to move immediately so as not to hold up boarding. Poacher tried to make his original argument, and FA said that if that were the case he needed to have fixed that prior to boarding and that he could "either move or I'll have to radio to the gate to see what they recommend we do....it's possible that tomorrow's flight can better accomodate your needs if that is necessary". He moved. A few hours in I thanked the FA, and he said that his crew has gotten pretty good at handling those situations. He doesn't escalate, stays calm, and informs them that UA can take care of them.....but it's not going to be on this plane at this time.

This is a joke right? I am not religious but would someone please explain what "religious reasons" there is for a seat selection?! What is this some "Church of Creative Seat Selection"! I typically board last for reasons previously posted and only rarely run into seat poaching. I typically don't even hassle with speaking to the "poacher" I leave it up to the FAs who always are happy to intervene.

ajGoes Apr 3, 19 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by nomad420 (Post 30961250)
This is a joke right? I am not religious but would someone please explain what "religious reasons" there is for a seat selection?! What is this some "Church of Creative Seat Selection"! I typically board last for reasons previously posted and only rarely run into seat poaching. I typically don't even hassle with speaking to the "poacher" I leave it up to the FAs who always are happy to intervene.

Note the destination: TLV. .... some Haredim (ultra-Orthodox Jews) refuse to sit next to a person of the opposite sex.

PTahCha Apr 3, 19 1:44 pm


Originally Posted by ExplorerWannabe (Post 30958828)
I like public shaming when dealing with a self-entitled jerk like that. "I'm sorry you unpacked everything and got yourself settled in my seat but an experienced traveler like you must know that people select seats for a reason. I appreciate the fact you like my seat, I chose it for a reason and it's too bad you didn't select it first but don't give me your song-and-dance or try to bully me, just get out of my seat please."

Considering the origin of the flight is TPE, I would have made the speech in both English and Mandarin Chinese just to drive the point home.


Originally Posted by helvetic (Post 30959406)
Keep standing in the aisle and waiting for the guy to vacate your seat. Eventually the FA will come and deal with the situation and get everyone in their correct seat.

Not necessarily. Back when UA flew barbie turboprops, I had pre-reserved the wing exit row aisle seat. When I boarded, I found a lady sitting in my seat, and claimed that she was in the correct row, even though she was supposed to sit one row behind. The FA came over and told me that I should just take any open seat instead of helping.

Fast forward an hour later, the same lady was spotting at my company's office checking in as a visitor. The look on her face, when she saw me, was priceless.


Originally Posted by ajGoes (Post 30961292)
Note the destination: TLV. ...., some Haredim (ultra-Orthodox Jews) refuse to sit next to a person of the opposite sex.

That actually happened to me ex-PDX, where two monks were traveling and they could not seat next to a woman, nor would they respond to the female flight attendant nor the female first officer. Also, they have to have their own row and cannot sit next to each other. It was only when the captain threatened to deplane them before they would accept their seats as is, with the female passengers swapped seats with another male passenger. I believe these same monks were on another UA flight, where the female passenger filed a complaint and it hit national news.

WineCountryUA Apr 3, 19 3:42 pm

We were getting far off-topic (DYKWIA) and far beyond the UA related issues, perhaps into OMNI land, so removed some of the OT discisson. -- Hoever, there plenty of FT threads on this topic for those interested in pursuing this farther

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-a...-tel-aviv.html
El Al Under Fire After Re-Seating Women Away From Orthodox Men
NY-Israel flight delayed by ultra-Orthodox men’s refusal to sit next to women
Passengers Cause Chaos by Refusing to Sit Next to Women on Easyjet Flight
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-a...gregation.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...ani-monks.html (UA forum)

Let's return to our regularly schedule DYKWIA discussion

WineCountryUA
UA coModerator

fumje Apr 5, 19 12:46 pm

Just revisiting my earlier post to clarify that I didn't intend to put the focus on GS status, although I can see how it could have looked that way (edited earlier title now). Thus far, I have found GS flyers to be actually the more courteous and mindful ones. I was dismayed by that whole episode, and I was only noting the passenger's status as proxy for the likelihood that he knew exactly how he was doing with that swap. Anyway, thanks for the comments, everyone.

lamphs May 11, 19 10:37 am

Escorted Passenger CDG *A F Lounge
 
DYKWIA seems to be the best place for this question. Recently I was in the CDG *A F Lounge - in fact the only passenger. I vaguely noticed a newcomer enter, but did hear "I'll be back for you" from someone near the entrance door. The newcomer and I chatted for a few minutes and then he went about his business. He did share that he was on the UA CDG-IAD flight. Later, a well dressed person came in and stated, in US English, 'I am here to escort you to the gate, sir'. Any ideas as to what would constitute a need to escort a passenger to a UA flight? I am thinking security-related.

ExplorerWannabe May 11, 19 10:50 am

Could have been a diplomatic VIP given that leg. Particularly if he was new to the diplomatic service or the government otherwise wanted to make sure his travel went well. If it had been security related, I would expect the escort to have stayed with him at all times whereas protocol can be forgiven for depositing him at a lounge while they took care of other arrangements.

N104UA May 11, 19 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by lamphs (Post 31090476)
DYKWIA seems to be the best place for this question. Recently I was in the CDG *A F Lounge - in fact the only passenger. I vaguely noticed a newcomer enter, but did hear "I'll be back for you" from someone near the entrance door. The newcomer and I chatted for a few minutes and then he went about his business. He did share that he was on the UA CDG-IAD flight. Later, a well dressed person came in and stated, in US English, 'I am here to escort you to the gate, sir'. Any ideas as to what would constitute a need to escort a passenger to a UA flight? I am thinking security-related.

He could have been a GS pax, or another VIP designation.

blueflyer3 May 11, 19 11:06 pm

Could also be a celebrity. A friend of mine works in customer service for an airport authority at a mid-tier US airport. For celebrities, they'll provide an escort through security, to a lounge, and then come get them to take them to the gate just before boarding. Not sure what it's like in CDG, obviously.

porciuscato May 11, 19 11:36 pm


Originally Posted by lamphs (Post 31090476)
DYKWIA seems to be the best place for this question. Recently I was in the CDG *A F Lounge - in fact the only passenger. I vaguely noticed a newcomer enter, but did hear "I'll be back for you" from someone near the entrance door. The newcomer and I chatted for a few minutes and then he went about his business. He did share that he was on the UA CDG-IAD flight. Later, a well dressed person came in and stated, in US English, 'I am here to escort you to the gate, sir'. Any ideas as to what would constitute a need to escort a passenger to a UA flight? I am thinking security-related.

I've seen something like this with "Chairman's Circle" people (many years ago my boss was one.) I recently saw it when the ~35 year old founder of a well-known social media company sat next to me (they completely ignored me, an ordinary GS).


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