Experiences on UA with aborted takeoffs, landings, go-arounds, .... [Consolidated]
#106
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I always liked Ch9 on UA as was reassuring that you heard the tower or pilots call for the go around and that was the reason we were rocketing upwards from 50-100 feet. A couple times I told my clueless, panicked seat mate with the horrified look..."it's ok, we have to go around."
Worst ever was on South African after more than 24 hours of uneventful long haul travel trying to land in a 737 at Port Elizabeth. After the final and smooth flight from JNB, As we descended over the Karoo and hit the shore there was a huge wind thud on fuselage as we entered into a gale with no warning from the pilots. Proceeded over the sea with plane shaking rather violently and lots of wind thuds and thumps on the fuselage. Line up for the runway; swaying and shimiing continuously...get down to about 300 feet and go round with the rocket up in really bad turbulence...smooth out over Karoo again...then repeat the same exact flight path with the Exact same experience and result... except this time going straight ahead and diverting to George for an hour.
After apparently regrouping and despite most of the passengers, including me, asking if we could get off plane and take a bus or taxi, we roared into the air again... and fortunately third time was a charm as pilots repeated the same approach /experience but "muscled" through the wind gusts below 300ft and landed the plane with nose down...leveling about flat with a big thud right on the runway.
The funny thing for one of worst landings ever...everyone broke out into simultaneous cheers and applause as soon as the reverse thrust came on and it was clear we weren't sliding or cartwheeling down the runway
Worst ever was on South African after more than 24 hours of uneventful long haul travel trying to land in a 737 at Port Elizabeth. After the final and smooth flight from JNB, As we descended over the Karoo and hit the shore there was a huge wind thud on fuselage as we entered into a gale with no warning from the pilots. Proceeded over the sea with plane shaking rather violently and lots of wind thuds and thumps on the fuselage. Line up for the runway; swaying and shimiing continuously...get down to about 300 feet and go round with the rocket up in really bad turbulence...smooth out over Karoo again...then repeat the same exact flight path with the Exact same experience and result... except this time going straight ahead and diverting to George for an hour.
After apparently regrouping and despite most of the passengers, including me, asking if we could get off plane and take a bus or taxi, we roared into the air again... and fortunately third time was a charm as pilots repeated the same approach /experience but "muscled" through the wind gusts below 300ft and landed the plane with nose down...leveling about flat with a big thud right on the runway.
The funny thing for one of worst landings ever...everyone broke out into simultaneous cheers and applause as soon as the reverse thrust came on and it was clear we weren't sliding or cartwheeling down the runway
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#107
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On the emergency landings, the crew did a great job of communicating, so I felt like at least I knew what was happening. The first one was probably the more serious situation. Took off out of ORD and leveled off much too soon. Pilot got on and said we were leaking hydraulic fluid and needed to go back and land. I was only 22 so didn't have much flying experience (it was my first flight for my first post-college job), so was pretty calm about it, in part because the crew was so calm. I did see the emergency vehicles lining the runway before we landed though and that made me think, huh, this is actually maybe a big deal. It almost seems counter-intuitive, but now, with 15 years of frequent flying under my belt, it would probably freak me out more than it did then.
#108
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#109
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I can't remember the exact date, but it would have been somewhere in the late 80s/early 90s, when there were several notable DC-10 incidents/accidents. There may have been extra sensitivity at that time...
#110
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Cool. Thanks for further information!
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#111
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Was interesting... waiting for my flight out of SFO last weekend, listening to the tower, and watched them order a go-around for a DL flight landing on 28L. Interesting to see the pilot stories too - definitely seems like an issue at SFO.
#112
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[2015-12-9] UA #771 Aborted Landing EWR
Was on 771 yesterday DFW-EWR 737-800 landing at EWR at 6:00 on 22 left.
Landing was normal.. Hit runway.. Started to slow down going down 22, went back to full throttle quickly, and back up in air and around for 20 mins until we landed again.
After back up in the air for about 2 mins, pilot got on and said the aircraft in front of us hadn't vacated the runway in time so was worried about a collision.
Never had this happen before. Anyone have this happen before?
Also, as there was no channel 9, is there a site out there I can hear the ATC-pilot exchange when this happened. Again, it was right at 6:00 PM last night.
Kudos to the flight deck for a job well done and quick thinking!
Landing was normal.. Hit runway.. Started to slow down going down 22, went back to full throttle quickly, and back up in air and around for 20 mins until we landed again.
After back up in the air for about 2 mins, pilot got on and said the aircraft in front of us hadn't vacated the runway in time so was worried about a collision.
Never had this happen before. Anyone have this happen before?
Also, as there was no channel 9, is there a site out there I can hear the ATC-pilot exchange when this happened. Again, it was right at 6:00 PM last night.
Kudos to the flight deck for a job well done and quick thinking!
#113
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I've had a few loss of separation go arounds before. I'd imagine most who fly much have.
As for the ATC - go and listen to LiveATC. They will definitely have it.
Edit: LiveATC feed indicates that ATC sent your flight around, not your pilot, as traffic had, indeed, not vacated the runway.
As for the ATC - go and listen to LiveATC. They will definitely have it.
Edit: LiveATC feed indicates that ATC sent your flight around, not your pilot, as traffic had, indeed, not vacated the runway.
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#114
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What? The aircraft had touched the ground, and they went around? I would think that at that point, braking for your life (1000-2000 ft required) would avoid a crash more than taking off (3000-4000 ft required)...
#116
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Yes we hit the ground. Wheels down. Then throttle up and wheels up
#117
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Here's the recording. The go-around is initiated at 5:53 into the recording.
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ke...2015-2300Z.mp3
The go-around was probably initiated before the wheels touched down. It takes several seconds for the engines to spool up so it might not have felt that way. Once you touchdown and the spoilers and reversers are deployed you are not going to go-around.
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ke...2015-2300Z.mp3
The go-around was probably initiated before the wheels touched down. It takes several seconds for the engines to spool up so it might not have felt that way. Once you touchdown and the spoilers and reversers are deployed you are not going to go-around.
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#118
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I've had a couple of experiences with go arounds. Worst was at JFK in 2009 on B6. We were one of the last flights to land in heavy snow conditions. An AI flight thought the airport was already closed and taxied across our runway. We were about 20 feet up when the pilots throttled up and had a pretty good pushback into our seats. Lots of OMG's and screaming when it happened. Most go arounds are uneventful and sometimes even unnoticeable.
#119
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One of the most frustrating go-arounds ever: SFO-SYD after 14 hours in the air, plane ahead doesn't get their tail off the runway turnoff in time. Another 20 minutes fuel burned. I wonder if the captains can sometimes feel the extra $ racking up because of someone else's failure to move quickly. And they don't get reimbursed (in time, money, or misconnects) for someone else's mistake!
#120
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In many cases, when it is go-around time, it is go time. That is to say, there is some genuine urgency/time sensitivity to one aircraft clearing a flightpath or airspace. I recorded a video on a UA 757 going around at SFO a couple of years ago Was caused by loss of separation and we were just coming into SFO from SAN, so fairly light to start with but the climb is steep indeed and the pattern flown on go-arounds does seem dramatic to those of us who fly a fair amount and are used to "normal" aircraft operations.
I've had 10 Go Arounds, 2 RTOs. All that in 1.85 million miles. They do feel more routine when they happen now, but that 777 at SFO was nothing remotely "normal" in profile, attitude, speed or power.