cova

Would people with the UA CC still get a free checked bag if they buy this E-?

The vast majority don't fly enough to worry about FF miles, and with the revenue RDM, they even care less. Most want the cheapest fares and a free checked bag.

Many have flown WN because of the free bags.

LaserSailor

And you guess incorrectly. 40 years in sales and sales management in high tech.

High tech isn't the economy, but the notion that the removal of FFM from sales or other business travel will change it is patently ridiculous. If you don't think managers don't know the games sales people try to get points you are inexperienced in upper management. They do.

Let's see, manager is signing weekly expense reports and doesn't notice travel is down? Maybe in your company, but not the norm. " Corporate" doesn't dictate policy without going through the manager except in pathological companies.

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dinoscool3

LX doesn't have a seperate seating area for their "lite" fares, not sure about DL does. I doubt FAs would easily be able to easily tell the difference between "no-frills" and "really no-frills".

3Cforme

My emphasis. The idea that DL E fares are found only where DL faces ULCC competition is a bit of a fiction. E fares can be found on routes where DL faces no such competiton; indeed, to/from airports that have no ULCC carriers! (Check ATL-GNV, for example.)

Delta has expanded the city pairs with E fares very significantly. IMHO they're looking a big fraction of people to show they're willing to pay for a seat assignment in advance, and for elites to show they'll pay for upgrade eligibility.

000123UA

I agree with those that worry what this does to business travelers at firms without contracts, but with lowest fare domestic policies (which is all I've ever seen). If the differences are really just ~$20, then it probably isn't a huge deal, and I think common sense wins (or individuals will pay the difference if they care). But I think about my usual route - BOI-NYC. I'm usually paying $500-800 for lowest Y. I wonder what happens to my fares in this model. If suddenly $500 is the unbundled no perks fare and $800 is the fare with perks, I'd face a serious challenge justifying a $300/trip delta (or even $100/trip), and that's also something I'd have a hard time deciding to pay for on my own.

I'm not sure I agree with this. I've always worked in smaller businesses, from 10-300 people. Even at 300 people, we're very far from being in a position to negotiate a contract. 50% of the US labor market is employed in businesses <500 people, and I'd guess only a very small percentage of those firms have any material contracts/discounts. Of course it really depends on the # of travelers - a 100 person company where everyone travels probably could make that happen, but in most firms a fairly small subset of the staff travels. So, yes, big consulting or b2b services firms (and the like) certainly have contracts and these firms likely won't be impacted. But for the 50% of employees that work for <500 person firms, that probably do have a travel policy requiring lowest reasonable Y fare, but don't have contracts, are likely to suffer from these types of fares. Fortunately for me, I set travel policy , but as I pointed out above, if the deltas are in the $100+ range for RT, then it will be hard to make the case to not use these fares.