Sep 13, 2017, 9:44 pm
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Archive thread: UA widebodies on domestic routes {Archive}
Archive thread: UA widebodies on domestic routes {Archive}
UA widebodies on domestic routes
Sep 2, 2023, 10:24 am
#151
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Out of curiosity I did a quick check on Sep 15, the 3 ORD-DEN flights are all 772 HD, the high density versions without PE and 2-4-2 seating in first. These don't fly long haul international routes and I have been running into many of them on hub-to-hub flights.
FWIW I've heard UAs international WB fleet is fully deployed and there is not a great deal of slack. Not as tight as DL or AA, but tight enough that with Boeing's delayed deliveries not to expect much international growth in the next 18 months. UA has already added a ton of new international flights this last year. The Australia additions are especially impressive.
FWIW I've heard UAs international WB fleet is fully deployed and there is not a great deal of slack. Not as tight as DL or AA, but tight enough that with Boeing's delayed deliveries not to expect much international growth in the next 18 months. UA has already added a ton of new international flights this last year. The Australia additions are especially impressive.
Sep 2, 2023, 4:04 pm
#152
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True; but it looks like there are fewer HDs on EWR-LAX/SFO, and more 772s and 773s. So the HDs are displaced to other domestic routes. China/HKG were among the longest 773 routes pre-COVID, and it can take two to three frames per route for daily service. European routes can operate with one to two.
David
Sep 2, 2023, 4:23 pm
#153
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Business traffic (in the traditional sense) on the LAX/SFO-NYC transcons is still down quite a bit. More people are buying premium fares, which are lower than ever before. It doesn't drive nearly the yield premium it used to, certainly a far cry from the old days.
Sep 6, 2023, 6:39 am
#154
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Really? Every time I have checked premium fares have been sky high. JetBlue's Mint service was good at keeping prices down - after they aligned with American it seems fares went up, and I don't think AA has brought back all the flights they used to have.
Sep 6, 2023, 6:52 am
#155
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Out of curiosity I did a quick check on Sep 15, the 3 ORD-DEN flights are all 772 HD, the high density versions without PE and 2-4-2 seating in first. These don't fly long haul international routes and I have been running into many of them on hub-to-hub flights.
FWIW I've heard UAs international WB fleet is fully deployed and there is not a great deal of slack. Not as tight as DL or AA, but tight enough that with Boeing's delayed deliveries not to expect much international growth in the next 18 months. UA has already added a ton of new international flights this last year. The Australia additions are especially impressive.
FWIW I've heard UAs international WB fleet is fully deployed and there is not a great deal of slack. Not as tight as DL or AA, but tight enough that with Boeing's delayed deliveries not to expect much international growth in the next 18 months. UA has already added a ton of new international flights this last year. The Australia additions are especially impressive.
Last edited by Kmxu; Sep 6, 2023 at 7:09 am
Sep 6, 2023, 9:50 am
#156
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They are higher than the pandemic lows, sure, but it's been my experience that I can frequently get sub-$1000 o/w P fares as close as within a day or so of departure, and I go to the West Coast 2-3x a month. More often it's around the $1000-1400 price point, which I still find to be reasonable compared to the "old days." SFO more expensive than LAX, as a general rule, and yes, AA capacity is still down, especially on JFK-SFO.
Sep 6, 2023, 10:21 am
#157
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certainly not what I am seeing. TCON is quite reasonable right now, assuming you are buying in advance. Plenty good P fares out there
Sep 6, 2023, 10:43 am
#158
Join Date: Apr 2015
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Out of curiosity, has anyone done the research to show the increase in widebodies run domestically over the winter vs. the summer season is? I did do a check anecdotally of a random day in December for both EWR-SFO and EWR-LAX, and at least as of now, they are still flying about half the flights with 752s, which is more than it has been the past couple years (when you'd see only 1 or 2 752s at most, and everything else on a widebody).
Sep 6, 2023, 10:55 am
#159
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They are higher than the pandemic lows, sure, but it's been my experience that I can frequently get sub-$1000 o/w P fares as close as within a day or so of departure, and I go to the West Coast 2-3x a month. More often it's around the $1000-1400 price point, which I still find to be reasonable compared to the "old days." SFO more expensive than LAX, as a general rule, and yes, AA capacity is still down, especially on JFK-SFO.
I agree there was a period before that with higher fares, but premium transcon fares are extremely high now compared to 2015-20.
Sep 6, 2023, 11:09 am
#160
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I am old enough to remember $399 P fares on a regular basis, and I am not even old.