p.s. Operations Transitioning to EWR on October 25, 2015
Jun 16, 2015, 10:20 am
#16
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: San Jose CA (SFO)
Programs: UA, TSA-Pre, Global Entry
Posts: 148
Was there a crew base at JFK? Will there be?
I wonder if any of the *A carriers at JFK will leave for EWR. Quite a few - AC, CA, AI, NH, OZ, OS, AV, SN, CM, MS, BR, LO, LH, SQ, SA, LX, TK ( http://www.staralliance.com/en/servi...on/airport/jfk ).
I wonder if any of the *A carriers at JFK will leave for EWR. Quite a few - AC, CA, AI, NH, OZ, OS, AV, SN, CM, MS, BR, LO, LH, SQ, SA, LX, TK ( http://www.staralliance.com/en/servi...on/airport/jfk ).
If you are using NYC to transfer, you can book a flight in to EWR and continue on via UA service.
Jun 16, 2015, 10:22 am
#17
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: ORD-LAS
Programs: UA MM 1K, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium Elite
Posts: 4,419
I'm sorry, but this is a bad bad bad decision. People in the west coast, dislike EWR, and they will take business elsewhere. I remember hearing UA was making money on this route now they are not? Is it because First went away on the route?
I really don't understand how a world class airline, won't serve JFK. Sorry, but this is a big loss, and a dumb move by UA.
I really don't understand how a world class airline, won't serve JFK. Sorry, but this is a big loss, and a dumb move by UA.
Jun 16, 2015, 10:23 am
#18
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,399
Symbolically it's shocking, but moving to EWR is also a way to differentiate UA's product (versus DL, AA, and JetBlue) and to capture high yielding passengers who prefer EWR for locational convenience. It also facilitates west coast connections at EWR to UA and some *A TATL flights. UA's NYC hub is at EWR, not JFK, and for connections they have fewer partner flights than earlier (US at LGA before the swap with DL at DCA) if people are willing to do the LGA to JFK transfer.
Jun 16, 2015, 10:26 am
#19
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: San Jose CA (SFO)
Programs: UA, TSA-Pre, Global Entry
Posts: 148
Symbolically it's shocking, but moving to EWR is also a way to differentiate UA's product (versus DL, AA, and JetBlue) and to capture high yielding passengers who prefer EWR for locational convenience. It also facilitates west coast connections at EWR to UA and *A TATL flights.
EWR's value (vs. LGA & JFK) is for connecting to/from international flights. If your final destination is NYC, EWR is the worst of the 3.
EWR is like OAK while JFK is SFO.
Jun 16, 2015, 10:26 am
#20
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: TUS and any place close to a lav
Programs: UA 1.6MM
Posts: 5,423
Jun 16, 2015, 10:27 am
#21
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Austin, TX - AUS
Programs: AA Platinum, Hilton, Hyatt, IHG, Marriott
Posts: 1,625
For a long time, AA and UA were the only airlines running premium flights JFK-SFO/LAX. Now Delta and JetBlue have started their premium flights, impacting yields. EWR-SFO/LAX had no premium flights and were treated like any other transcon. I think UA sees an opportunity to offer PS on EWR-SFO/LAX and will reallocate its planes accordingly.
Jun 16, 2015, 10:28 am
#22
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,399
Not if you live or work in New Jersey. There are HVC there too, not just in the city, on Long Island, or in southern/western Connecticut.
Jun 16, 2015, 10:29 am
#23
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: New Jersey
Programs: UA MM 1K, AA MM Gold, Marriott LT Platinum
Posts: 3,235
The press release says all flights. Doesn't say whether the 752's that are coming off TATL routes will be reconfigured with additional BF seats or left with 16 BF seats.
I also liked the comments about EWR and new technologies -
United Airlines is partnering with OTG Management to transform the shopping and dining experience in Terminal C, already one of the most modern airline terminals in the country, with high-end restaurants designed by internationally and regionally acclaimed chefs and gate areas updated with custom seating and tables.
In gate areas, United customers will be able to use iPads to track their flights and order food and beverages for delivery to the gate within 15 minutes.
With electronic payment technology, MileagePlus members are able to use award miles for food, beverage and other purchases with the nearly 6,000 iPads to be deployed for customer use throughout the terminal.
(Bolding mine...)
I also liked the comments about EWR and new technologies -
United Airlines is partnering with OTG Management to transform the shopping and dining experience in Terminal C, already one of the most modern airline terminals in the country, with high-end restaurants designed by internationally and regionally acclaimed chefs and gate areas updated with custom seating and tables.
In gate areas, United customers will be able to use iPads to track their flights and order food and beverages for delivery to the gate within 15 minutes.
With electronic payment technology, MileagePlus members are able to use award miles for food, beverage and other purchases with the nearly 6,000 iPads to be deployed for customer use throughout the terminal.
(Bolding mine...)
Jun 16, 2015, 10:29 am
#24
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,324
Don't forget about the pmUA employees who are going to undoubtedly suffer. They aren't going to need all of them at EWR. Such a sad day for all my JFK friends. God bless you all, keep your chin held high!
Jun 16, 2015, 10:30 am
#25
Join Date: Apr 2003
Programs: UA *G 1MM LT United Club & Global Entry
Posts: 2,756
Big surprise and a big loss. JFK transcon fares were competitively priced. Guessing EWR transcon fares will not be.
SunLover
JFK is a competitive station.
EWR is a fortress hub.
Enough said.
SunLover
SunLover
EWR is a fortress hub.
Enough said.
SunLover
Last edited by goalie; Jun 16, 2015 at 12:33 pm Reason: merge
Jun 16, 2015, 10:34 am
#26
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: IAH
Programs: DL DM, Hyatt Ist-iest, Stariott Platinum, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 12,788
Jun 16, 2015, 10:34 am
#27
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,167
Jun 16, 2015, 10:35 am
#28
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: ORD-LAS
Programs: UA MM 1K, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium Elite
Posts: 4,419
I've said it before, but once again, this is just stupid. Once again, UA runs away from the competition. Run UA Run.
What about all those 777 being reconfigured, I'm guessing those will not fly any EWR-SFO,LAX? Wasn't the goal to take hub to hub flights and minimize them with larger aircraft. Oh boy UA, you really have no plan. Sell the slots to Delta, show a nice balance sheet and continue your jobs for a few more years.
Bad bad bad. Did I say, BAD?
What about all those 777 being reconfigured, I'm guessing those will not fly any EWR-SFO,LAX? Wasn't the goal to take hub to hub flights and minimize them with larger aircraft. Oh boy UA, you really have no plan. Sell the slots to Delta, show a nice balance sheet and continue your jobs for a few more years.
Bad bad bad. Did I say, BAD?
Jun 16, 2015, 10:37 am
#29
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: New York, NY
Programs: UA, AA, DL, Hertz, Avis, National, Hyatt, Hilton, SPG, Marriott
Posts: 9,447
Buried in the press release are announcements of lounge and ticket lobby renovations at EWR, too, along with a slot swap with DL (DL gives up some EWR to UA, UA gives up JFK portfolio to DL).
From http://www.cnbc.com/id/102752207
Interesting. I would not have guessed UA was struggling at JFK for that long.
I'm sorry, but this is a bad bad bad decision. People in the west coast, dislike EWR, and they will take business elsewhere. I remember hearing UA was making money on this route now they are not? Is it because First went away on the route?
I really don't understand how a world class airline, won't serve JFK. Sorry, but this is a big loss, and a dumb move by UA.
I really don't understand how a world class airline, won't serve JFK. Sorry, but this is a big loss, and a dumb move by UA.
United Airlines said on Tuesday it plans to end service in October at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, where it failed to profit over seven years because it offered few connections to other cities, and add flights at its Newark, New Jersey hub.
Jun 16, 2015, 10:39 am
#30
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: ORD-LAS
Programs: UA MM 1K, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium Elite
Posts: 4,419
Yes others do too, but they have LGA as an option. People in SFO and LAX will no longer be able to get to the other side without connecting in ORD, DEN or IAH.
They will not be able to sustain hourly PS service as they will lose a ton of West Coast traffic to AA, DL and JetBlue. Then PS will pooof away into the sunset.
Another good sUA product that they couldn't wait to throw away.
They will not be able to sustain hourly PS service as they will lose a ton of West Coast traffic to AA, DL and JetBlue. Then PS will pooof away into the sunset.
Another good sUA product that they couldn't wait to throw away.