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April & May 2015 Operational Performance
UA April available, May should be out in a couple of days - I'll add it.
For comparison, DL has released April and May, and of course they still release some insights in to their financial performance monthly (which UA does not). United April 2015 Revenue Passenger Miles (RPM): increased 0.4% versus April 2014 Available Seat Miles (ASM): increased 2.7% versus April 2014 Consolidated load factor: 81.4% decreased 1.9% versus April 2014 April On-Time Performance: 79.4% (2.4) pts versus April 2014 April Completion Factor: 99.0% (.5) pts versus April 2014 Delta April 2015 RPM: increased 1.8% versus April 2014 ASM: increased 3.7% versus April 2014 Consolidated load factor: 83.2% decreased 1.5% versus April 2014 April consolidated PRASM change year over year: (3.5%) April mainline completion factor: 99.8% April on-time performance (preliminary DOT A14): 86.8% United May 2015 Revenue Passenger Miles (RPM): increased 0.5% versus May 2014 Available Seat Miles (ASM): increased 2.1% versus May 2014 Consolidated load factor: 83.9% decreased 1.4% versus May 2014 May On-Time Performance: 76.6% +.2 pts versus May 2014 May Completion Factor: 99.1% +.3 pts versus May 2014 "The company (United) now expects second-quarter 2015 unit revenue (PRASM) to decline approximately 5 percent to 6 percent" Delta May 2015 RPM: increased 2.7% versus May 2014 ASM: increased 4% versus May 2014 Consolidated load factor: 85.4% decreased 1.1% versus May 2014 May consolidated PRASM change year over year: (5.5%) May mainline completion factor: 99.8% May on-time performance (preliminary DOT A14): 87.3% |
so UA lags DL is the message. shocker :)
quite telling that they continue to be 6% behind in OT and almost a full % behind in completion. honestly i'm surprised that they had a 99% completion. based on reading here i'd have expected quite a bit lower. |
In other words, a UA flight is 400% more likely than a DL flight to not be completed, and about 55% more likely to be late, based on some numbers I just threw in Excel. Based on April numbers.
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Originally Posted by PV_Premier
(Post 24908537)
quite telling that they continue to be 6% behind in OT
Originally Posted by PV_Premier
(Post 24908537)
honestly i'm surprised that they had a 99% completion. based on reading here i'd have expected quite a bit lower.
I think your comment should tell you more about the population posting here on the UA FT forum than it does about what you might experience by actually flying United. :) Additionally, its not very often that somebody experiences an uneventful flight, and decides to post about it online. But you hear about it much more often when things go wrong. |
Originally Posted by LarkSFO
(Post 24909273)
7.4 points behind...
Originally Posted by LarkSFO
(Post 24909273)
How many trips have you taken on UA this year?
Originally Posted by LarkSFO
(Post 24909273)
Additionally, its not very often that somebody experiences an uneventful flight, and decides to post about it online. But you hear about it much more often when things go wrong.
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO
(Post 24909273)
I think your comment should tell you more about the population posting here on the UA FT forum than it does about what you might experience by actually flying United. :)
There is no similar thread on the DL forum. |
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 24909577)
Really? Follow this thread? Consolidated Delayed/Cancelled International Flights 2015.
There is no similar thread on the DL forum. The thread you reference here on the this forum does nothing but reiterate my point (about the UA forum on FT, and about the human tendency to speak out when things go wrong). One out of 100 flights are cancelled. (Somebody smarter than me may be able to find an Int'l / Domestic Mainline / UAX breakdown of these numbers.) Sure, if you are the girl on that one flight, life sucks for you that trip. Hopefully a smooth reaccomodation. :) For the other 99 flights though, life is OK (from a getting where you need to be perspective). |
Originally Posted by LarkSFO
(Post 24909600)
The thread you reference here on the this forum does nothing but reiterate my point (about the UA forum on FT, and about the human tendency to speak out when things go wrong).
DL, on the other hand, regularly has days that are cancel free throughout its entire system. Which says nothing about the quality (or entertainment value) of the respective fora, but does speak volumes as to relative operational performance of the two airlines. Today, UA had 22 cancelled flights. DL had 1. Flight Aware Cancelled Today |
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 24909638)
Today, UA had 22 cancelled flights. DL had 1.
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It's rather ironic that this thread began as a comparison of DL and UA and then people are flamed for referencing data housed in the respective forums. Also saying 1/100 UA flights is canceled is an interesting way of looking at it. To me I'd say 2/1000 DL flights is canceled vs 10/1000 UA flights and at the # of flights both airlines run that's a statistically significant difference. That says nothing of the on time % of the remaining 998 DL flights or 990 UA flights of course ;)
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Originally Posted by tom911
(Post 24909660)
On the other hand, UA is doing better than AA which hit 25. Are both UA and AA playing catch-up from NYC weather issues?
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 24909638)
I don't agree with that at all. The referenced thread lists UA's daily international cancels. That's called "data." And those UA cancels continue at an appallingly high rate.
DL, on the other hand, regularly has days that are cancel free throughout its entire system. Which says nothing about the quality (or entertainment value) of the respective fora, but does speak volumes as to relative operational performance of the two airlines. Today, UA had 22 cancelled flights. DL had 1. Flight Aware Cancelled Today I think we all agree that DL runs a fantastic operation. On time and completion are in a league of their own relative to the other legacies. But (you knew there would be a but): In a cursory look at just two days - Monday and Tuesday this week - Besides LaGuardia and JFK, DL's hubs are way down the list of airport cancellations / delays (DTW and MSP don't ever appear). Meanwhile, UA and AA both have a number of hubs ranking highly on this list. So, which is cause and which is effect? Are MSP and DTW great airports (in terms of cancellations and delays) because DL is their primary tenant and DL runs a great operation? Or is DL the beneficiary of airports that traditionally have fewer delays and cancellations, to the benefit of DL? Same question for UA and EWR, ORD, SFO and AA and DFW, PHL, ORD... |
Originally Posted by PV_Premier
(Post 24910277)
Also saying 1/100 UA flights is canceled is an interesting way of looking at it.
Yes, if you want to compare with the best out there today, you might need to change the scale. 990 out of 1000 UA flights complete. 998 out of 1000 DL flights complete. So, for a flyer who flies 1000 flights, they would experience 8 more cancellations on UA than they would on DL. I am not a mathematician, tell me if I have missed something in the above numbers. Side note: As a 1K last year, I think I may have made it to 75 segments (flights), and I am domestic. The way I look at it, odds of my flight completing are in my favor on UA, and would be slightly more in my favor if I flew DL. |
Originally Posted by tom911
(Post 24909660)
On the other hand, UA is doing better than AA which hit 25. Are both UA and AA playing catch-up from NYC weather issues?
About Delta in New York Delta Air Lines is New York City's largest and fastest-growing carrier with 460 peak-day departures to more than 110 destinations worldwide from its hubs at New York's LaGuardia Airport and John F. Kennedy International Airport – including more destinations from New York State than any other airline as well as nonstop service to five continents. Delta's Terminal 4 at JFK, a $1.2 billion state-of-the-art international gateway, opened in May 2013; a $175 million second-phase extension of 11 new gates opened in January 2015. The airline has also invested more than $160 million to expand and update Terminals C and D at LaGuardia. Product investments include flat-bed seats in the premium cabin on all widebody international flights as well as on eight daily flights between New York-JFK and Los Angeles International Airport. Aircraft with flat-bed seats will be introduced on flights between New York-JFK and San Francisco by summer 2015. Additionally, the unique Delta Shuttle product offers the only hourly service from New York-LGA to Boston, Chicago O'Hare and Washington D.C. Delta's three metropolitan-area airports carried 23.6 million domestic and international passengers in 2013, up from 22.1 million passengers in 2012. Delta and its nearly 10,000 New York-based employees are part of the fabric of the New York community, acting as the official airline of the Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Rangers, Madison Square Garden, Food Bank for New York City, New York Wine and Food and amfAR, among many others. |
Probably not the NYC weather issues, then, if DL is larger than both AA and DL in the NYC Metro area and surely would have had the same weather issues to contend with. Why do you think the numbers are so different that DL barely cancels anything at all systemwide compared to UA/AA (2 vs 25)? What do they do different? I haven't set foot on a Delta plane in probably 15 years and that was on a UA bump reroute from Florida, so really don't know anything about DL ops.
Originally Posted by LarkSFO
(Post 24910737)
I think we all agree that DL runs a fantastic operation. On time and completion are in a league of their own relative to the other legacies.
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO
(Post 24909600)
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One out of 100 flights are cancelled. (Somebody smarter than me may be able to find an Int'l / Domestic Mainline / UAX breakdown of these numbers.) I would love to see a better picture of overall ops statistics, where all the UAX operators stats (for UA marketed flights) are available. I have never seen these available anywhere. |
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