Diet Coke a Weapon?
May 31, 2015, 8:31 pm
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And I seriously doubt that anyone getting on a *A (or a SkyTEAM, etc) livery plane thinks they are on anything but the operating carrier (e.g. UA or DL), and will hold them accountable. Similarly, I think that probably 95% of people if they are flying on a UA ticket on LH or ANA will think LH or ANA is responsible, unless its an issue caused by UA.
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ExpressJet really was smart to finally dump the Atlantic Southeast name a few years back because it actually did take non-frequent flyers a while to figure out that parts of that evil remain.
I do wonder if some of the ExpressJet employees who are problems under United paint jobs are the old pmASA folks so many of us Delta folks came to know and hate.
May 31, 2015, 8:45 pm
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Why is she picky and has a bad attitude for having a certain standard of hygiene? Just because it is not your standard.
Come on....
May 31, 2015, 8:53 pm
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This happened on United.
What would have happened if it was on Air France?
What would have happened if it was on Air France?
May 31, 2015, 9:01 pm
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UA is once again in the public line of fire for something that a subcontractor did wrong. Perhaps UA will one day learn to take responsibility for the flights they market and sell, but judging by the "We are also discussing the matter that Ms. Ahmad describes with Shuttle America, our regional partner that operated the flight." quote by the UA spokesperson, they are trying to push the blame onto Shuttle America.
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May 31, 2015, 9:05 pm
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Lead story at ABC Chicago news just now. Maybe reported above but the person is a Chaplain at Northwestern, who said the FA said things like "no coke for you". The video was mostly shots of UA mainline planes.
The typically horrific local reporting left one with the impression that she was uniquely denied an unopened can since she was a Muslim and therefore a terrorism threat.
This can't end well. Will UA step up, get the FA fired regardless of who she actually works for and firmly say "this is not representative of our company and we are publically embarrassed??" My guess is not.
The typically horrific local reporting left one with the impression that she was uniquely denied an unopened can since she was a Muslim and therefore a terrorism threat.
This can't end well. Will UA step up, get the FA fired regardless of who she actually works for and firmly say "this is not representative of our company and we are publically embarrassed??" My guess is not.
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May 31, 2015, 9:09 pm
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My guess as to what happened? The passenger asked for the slight favor of getting the whole can of soda. The FA served it to her open, after which it can no longer be served to anyone else. The passenger then pulled her little "cleanliness" drama and demanded a second whole can, and the FA was exasperated and fed her the story.
See above.
May 31, 2015, 9:29 pm
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You would think or "thunk" better if the operation (UA) was still based in "The Lone Star State". What a shame UA has turned into. CO and UA were once great airlines.
The BOD needs to remove top management or get a new PR firm to spin things in the right direction. UA management think - they did not "thunk" it out.
May 31, 2015, 9:32 pm
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May 31, 2015, 9:53 pm
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May 31, 2015, 9:57 pm
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I think there were two major problems in this incident:
1. the tendency of FAs to blame security/terrorism issues for airline policies. Of course she couldn't say "we can't give you an unopened can because you might take it off the plane without drinking it, and that would cost the airline money" so she just said something about security, because no one is going to argue about secuirty policies mid-flight.
2. people's reluctance to say anything on a plane. If this incident had happened anywhere else, other passengers would have defended the woman against this man's remarks. However, on a plane, no one wants to escalate anything, because the slightest incident can get the plane diverted and people arrested. Therefore, people just sat quietly.
1. the tendency of FAs to blame security/terrorism issues for airline policies. Of course she couldn't say "we can't give you an unopened can because you might take it off the plane without drinking it, and that would cost the airline money" so she just said something about security, because no one is going to argue about secuirty policies mid-flight.
2. people's reluctance to say anything on a plane. If this incident had happened anywhere else, other passengers would have defended the woman against this man's remarks. However, on a plane, no one wants to escalate anything, because the slightest incident can get the plane diverted and people arrested. Therefore, people just sat quietly.
May 31, 2015, 9:58 pm
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I haven't seen any indication of hateful words from the FA.
It sounds like the FA was a lunatic, just like a lot of FAs on United Continental aircraft. Most, in fact.
If I had $1,000 for each message posted on FT describing near-psychotic behavior by United Continental FA's, I could almost retire by now.
OK. So, assuming the statements by the "victim" are true, the FA is nuts. Big deal. Anyone who flies on United Continental should expect that. This is why, since the takeover, I have a firm policy of keeping my head down and not saying a word to them. One can never know when a psychotic FA will go nuts and force a diversion to have a passenger arrested these days. Even the slightest thing, or non-thing, can cause it.
But nothing previously stated about the behavior of the FA was hateful. Where did that come from?
May 31, 2015, 10:11 pm
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While I don't agree with "most" since UA many wonderful caring FAs left, many of whom will tell you they're as frustrated as we are by insane policies, it's increasingly clear to me that the airline grew too fast and has inept management who have lost control.
May 31, 2015, 10:15 pm
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So, assuming the statements by the "victim" are true, the FA is nuts. Big deal. Anyone who flies on United Continental should expect that. This is why, since the takeover, I have a firm policy of keeping my head down and not saying a word to them. One can never know when a psychotic FA will go nuts and force a diversion to have a passenger arrested these days. Even the slightest thing, or non-thing, can cause it.
May 31, 2015, 10:35 pm
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Has even one passenger come forward to corroborate the woman's story? In this social media day and age where people live to broadcast even the tiniest controversy (bare feet on bulkhead), surely a man yelling horribly bigoted things at a woman in a confined & crowded space would warrant SOMEONE coming forward.
May 31, 2015, 10:45 pm
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Has even one passenger come forward to corroborate the woman's story? In this social media day and age where people live to broadcast even the tiniest controversy (bare feet on bulkhead), surely a man yelling horribly bigoted things at a woman in a confined & crowded space would warrant SOMEONE coming forward.