UA Pilot Diverts to Remove Autistic Child From Plane for Safety Reasons
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I have seen a 14 y.o. autistic teen go berserk, and his mom, dad and a sibling got hurt. It was my cousin, and it was very scary to watch. He had strength far beyond his size when he was in a rage.
If a baby/toddler has a meltdown, there can be a lot of screaming and crying, and maybe some kicking the seat in front, but it unlikely that others would be hurt.
A full-on teenager? Yeah, I'd be worried if the mom said the teen might start scratching people.
If you have a kid that goes into a meltdown if she doesn't have hot food when she wants it, why the heck wouldn't you routinely travel with a wide-mouth thermos that you can get filled with steaming hot food when you're in the terminal before getting on the plane?
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
If a baby/toddler has a meltdown, there can be a lot of screaming and crying, and maybe some kicking the seat in front, but it unlikely that others would be hurt.
A full-on teenager? Yeah, I'd be worried if the mom said the teen might start scratching people.
If you have a kid that goes into a meltdown if she doesn't have hot food when she wants it, why the heck wouldn't you routinely travel with a wide-mouth thermos that you can get filled with steaming hot food when you're in the terminal before getting on the plane?
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
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I have seen a 14 y.o. autistic teen go berserk, and his mom, dad and a sibling got hurt. It was my cousin, and it was very scary to watch. He had strength far beyond his size when he was in a rage.
If a baby/toddler has a meltdown, there can be a lot of screaming and crying, and maybe some kicking the seat in front, but it unlikely that others would be hurt.
A full-on teenager? Yeah, I'd be worried if the mom said the teen might start scratching people.
If you have a kid that goes into a meltdown if she doesn't have hot food when she wants it, why the heck wouldn't you routinely travel with a wide-mouth thermos that you can get filled with steaming hot food when you're in the terminal before getting on the plane?
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
If a baby/toddler has a meltdown, there can be a lot of screaming and crying, and maybe some kicking the seat in front, but it unlikely that others would be hurt.
A full-on teenager? Yeah, I'd be worried if the mom said the teen might start scratching people.
If you have a kid that goes into a meltdown if she doesn't have hot food when she wants it, why the heck wouldn't you routinely travel with a wide-mouth thermos that you can get filled with steaming hot food when you're in the terminal before getting on the plane?
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
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So consider this young adult's perspective. None of the accounts (even those presumptive or speculative) have suggested that she was doing anything other than minding her own business. It was the non-autistic collection of adults in her vicinity that lost their cool.
Did she threaten anyone?
Did she assault anyone?
Did she lose her mind when escorted from the plane by police?
She did not.
She remained calm and composed and appears, to me, to be one individual involved who distinguished themselves with mature conduct.
So, by all means, let's debate the conduct of the parents, UA and the authorities. But please understand that the individual at the centre experienced a very bad day, not of her making.
She deserves a good deal of respect.
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The girl is what, 15? In a few years, she'll be able to purchase her own ari travel, and she'll look back on this and remember United for the airline that it is. And how Delta saved the day.
And if her parents end up with a settlement to their lawsuit, there might be some cash in it as well.
While it was a bad day on that day, it's possible that she'll remember it down the road as the day that made her a loyal Delta customer, and the day that United paid for her college education. Ultimately, a good day in the end.
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Or maybe she'll just figure out that her mom is a jerk, but that she loves her anyway.
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#248
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I thought that was weird too at first. But if you look at her profile, you'll see that her life's work is all about poverty. She has studied poverty and is the president of an organization that "is dedicated to broadening and improving opportunities for people who live in the war zone of poverty."
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I wholly agree that it's disturbing if bad things happen when one is minding their own business. The best of us might lose our minds.
So consider this young adult's perspective. None of the accounts (even those presumptive or speculative) have suggested that she was doing anything other than minding her own business. It was the non-autistic collection of adults in her vicinity that lost their cool.
Did she threaten anyone?
Did she assault anyone?
Did she lose her mind when escorted from the plane by police?
She did not.
She remained calm and composed and appears, to me, to be one individual involved who distinguished themselves with mature conduct.
So, by all means, let's debate the conduct of the parents, UA and the authorities. But please understand that the individual at the centre experienced a very bad day, not of her making.
She deserves a good deal of respect.
So consider this young adult's perspective. None of the accounts (even those presumptive or speculative) have suggested that she was doing anything other than minding her own business. It was the non-autistic collection of adults in her vicinity that lost their cool.
Did she threaten anyone?
Did she assault anyone?
Did she lose her mind when escorted from the plane by police?
She did not.
She remained calm and composed and appears, to me, to be one individual involved who distinguished themselves with mature conduct.
So, by all means, let's debate the conduct of the parents, UA and the authorities. But please understand that the individual at the centre experienced a very bad day, not of her making.
She deserves a good deal of respect.
So if one can think from her perspective: Whatever fault she had for not being prepared (or surprised), she had to, in good conscience with professional knowledge and personal experience, and especially with the manifested IGNORANCE of the FAs, declare a threat. Upon accommodation, she also in the same manner declared that the threat had ended (especially if the flight had proceeded to PDX as scheduled). Then on the ground she had to endure the less-than-completely informed paramedics, LEOs, and cockpit crew.
It is reasonable to me that she wanted FAs trained on autism.
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That opens a very large door. I believe FA's should have safety training (ex. CPR) for certain, but to be familiar with autism as well as multiple other conditions? It sounds like she wants all FAs to be registered nurses as well.
On the other hand, maybe this would help to increase turnover of some of the more seasoned FAs we get to "enjoy" these days.
On the other hand, maybe this would help to increase turnover of some of the more seasoned FAs we get to "enjoy" these days.
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I wholly agree that it's disturbing if bad things happen when one is minding their own business. The best of us might lose our minds.
So consider this young adult's perspective. None of the accounts (even those presumptive or speculative) have suggested that she was doing anything other than minding her own business. It was the non-autistic collection of adults in her vicinity that lost their cool.
Did she threaten anyone?
Did she assault anyone?
Did she lose her mind when escorted from the plane by police?
She did not.
She remained calm and composed and appears, to me, to be one individual involved who distinguished themselves with mature conduct.
So, by all means, let's debate the conduct of the parents, UA and the authorities. But please understand that the individual at the centre experienced a very bad day, not of her making.
She deserves a good deal of respect.
So consider this young adult's perspective. None of the accounts (even those presumptive or speculative) have suggested that she was doing anything other than minding her own business. It was the non-autistic collection of adults in her vicinity that lost their cool.
Did she threaten anyone?
Did she assault anyone?
Did she lose her mind when escorted from the plane by police?
She did not.
She remained calm and composed and appears, to me, to be one individual involved who distinguished themselves with mature conduct.
So, by all means, let's debate the conduct of the parents, UA and the authorities. But please understand that the individual at the centre experienced a very bad day, not of her making.
She deserves a good deal of respect.
http://gawker.com/united-allegedly-r...-fo-1703774723
“There was a lot of howling, and we thought well, what’s going on? And it never stopped,” Hedlund said.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...tism/27123423/
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Here the parents admit that Juliette had a meltdown on the plane.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...tism/27123423/
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The mother is being supported by the media. The media appear to mostly be reporting her side of the story, while giving limited or in some cases no coverage to differing opinions.
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