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Flyer1M Mar 3, 2015 10:08 pm

RDM earnings for UA tickets / UA operated flights - based on spend (PQD, now PQPs)
 
I had my first trip on March 1 with the new mileage earnings. I flew just under 5,000 miles and earned just under 1,800 miles into my account. Clearly I didn't read the new mileage award. I was about a purchase a ticket to OGG on United and based on the earning have switched to Alaska. This was a huge WAW moment to me. BTW I am Premier Platinum.

mduell Mar 3, 2015 10:18 pm

OTOH you flew 5000 miles for a pittance.

DBCme Mar 3, 2015 10:19 pm


Originally Posted by Flyer1M (Post 24450590)
I had my first trip on March 1 with the new mileage earnings. I flew just under 5,000 miles and earned just under 1,800 miles into my account. Clearly I didn't read the new mileage award. I was about a purchase a ticket to OGG on United and based on the earning have switched to Alaska. This was a huge WAW moment to me. BTW I am Premier Platinum.

Reality check for the general public (not just FT'ers) when their March statements cut or they go online to look at their MP account activity.

Flyer1M Mar 3, 2015 10:20 pm


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 24450624)
OTOH you flew 5000 miles for a pittance.

The fare was $450 but half was in Feb so the new earnings is based on half the cost.

WineCountryUA Mar 3, 2015 10:27 pm


Originally Posted by Flyer1M (Post 24450633)

Originally Posted by mduell (Post 24450624)
OTOH you flew 5000 miles for a pittance.

The fare was $450 but half was in Feb so the new earnings is based on half the cost.

at 4.5cpm you were about 1/3 the airline's average RPM.

To have gotten 100% mileage and some sort of elite bonus, would have been equivalent to 1/2 to 2/3 refund if you evaluate miles @ 1.5cpm. This is part of the reason for the change.

lhrsfo Mar 4, 2015 1:53 am


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 24450662)
at 4.5cpm you were about 1/3 the airline's average RPM.

To have gotten 100% mileage and some sort of elite bonus, would have been equivalent to 1/2 to 2/3 refund if you evaluate miles @ 1.5cpm. This is part of the reason for the change.

Too true. At the same time, UA has to offer some inducement to fly on its planes and experience its "service" over that of other carriers. Will E+ suffice now that MP is no longer a strong programme? I suspect it will as long as the economy remains strong and UA continues to shrink relative to other airlines. If either turns, I suspect we'll see UA start scrambling to be friendlier to customers.

Xyzzy Mar 4, 2015 5:08 am


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 24450662)
at 4.5cpm you were about 1/3 the airline's average RPM.

To have gotten 100% mileage and some sort of elite bonus, would have been equivalent to 1/2 to 2/3 refund if you evaluate miles @ 1.5cpm. This is part of the reason for the change.

That may be but UA could make things a whole lot less confusing by renaming RDM to 'points' of some kind. As it is one now gets PQM based on distance flown and RDM based on the price paid. Both of these are denominated in 'miles'. I'd venture to say that m:eek:st people (who are not as intimately familiar with the nuances of the program as most of us are) will be thoroughly confused by that.

LaserSailor Mar 4, 2015 6:28 am

My sales team is cleaning up on miles under the NWO. About 80% higher RDM redemptions. Mostly short domestic travel, one week advance fares

olouie Mar 4, 2015 7:43 am

Hm... should I be concerned about this? Booked a Flight from SFO-LAX-LHR-LAX-SFO.
First leg miles have posted, but it seems very strange.

SFO-LAX: 1,593 miles
LAX-LHR: 621

Given the fare breakdown below will I get most of the miles once the whole trip has posted? By my calculations I should get $791 x 9 = 7029 miles (PP), but not right if the miles are correct I will barely get 4,426 miles RT.

Fare Breakdown
Airfare: 323.00 USD
U.S. Customs User Fee: 5.50
U.S. Immigration User Fee: 7.00
U.S. APHIS User Fee: 5.00
U.S. Federal Transportation Tax: 35.40
September 11th Security Fee: 11.20
U.K. Air Passenger Duty: 106.60
U.K. Passenger Service Charge: 65.00
International Surcharge: 458.00
U.S. Passenger Facility Charge: 13.50
Per Person Total: 1,030.20 USD

LaserSailor Mar 4, 2015 8:59 am


LAX-LHR: 621
quantum mechanically tunneling, I see.

Fare rounds down to 781 USD I think

olouie Mar 4, 2015 9:10 am


Originally Posted by LaserSailor (Post 24452643)
quantum mechanically tunneling, I see.

Fare rounds down to 781 USD I think

I wish I only paid $69 for this flight leg :D

mtbaker Mar 4, 2015 10:40 am

For anyone that flew on 2/28, keep an eye on the posting date.

I flew IAD-BAH on 2/28 but the miles posted with a date of 3/1, so I only got credited based on the price instead of the distance.

I emailed MP Service Center and they quickly got back to me saying they would change the date back to 2/28 so I would get proper credit.

wh6cto Mar 4, 2015 11:08 am

$781 x 9 = 7029, but otherwise your math looks good to me.

Hopefully the outbound and return will be different, and it will all add up. Are they different fare classes? That would definitely explain the assymetry.

Also out of curiosity, what were the PQDs posted on those segments? Is it 9 x PQD = RDM?

BTW, UA says this about how they allocate to each segment:
We use an industry-standard method to determine the portion of the ticket’s base fare and carrier-imposed surcharge value to allocate to each eligible flight segment. This method takes into account both the distance of the flight and the cabin you purchased.
Has anyone been able to come up with the formula, based on what's been posted to their account? It's definitely not just distance, even on a single fare.



Originally Posted by olouie (Post 24452213)
Hm... should I be concerned about this? Booked a Flight from SFO-LAX-LHR-LAX-SFO.
First leg miles have posted, but it seems very strange.

SFO-LAX: 1,593 miles
LAX-LHR: 621

Given the fare breakdown below will I get most of the miles once the whole trip has posted? By my calculations I should get $791 x 9 = 7029 miles (PP), but not right if the miles are correct I will barely get 4,426 miles RT.

Fare Breakdown
Airfare: 323.00 USD
U.S. Customs User Fee: 5.50
U.S. Immigration User Fee: 7.00
U.S. APHIS User Fee: 5.00
U.S. Federal Transportation Tax: 35.40
September 11th Security Fee: 11.20
U.K. Air Passenger Duty: 106.60
U.K. Passenger Service Charge: 65.00
International Surcharge: 458.00
U.S. Passenger Facility Charge: 13.50
Per Person Total: 1,030.20 USD


olouie Mar 4, 2015 11:25 am

Bought two tickets under same confirmation number. Other passenger got correct miles for their Gold status. So looks like some kind of error.

Silver Fox Mar 4, 2015 11:37 am

So I guess the rule of thumb when adding the components up is anything with US or UK (in this case) in front of it does not count as "the fare", everything else is added together (I make it 781 too), ie. 323 + 458 = 781, and in this Platinum case times by 9 ? Is that safe to assume?


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