United_727

If CX can use the 77W on HKG to JFK,UA can deploy them anywhere in their network (range-wise)

Jet'Dillo

And some 789s are being replaced by 77Ws
This just dropped from the WSJ:
UA converting 787-9 options to 777-300ER

JIC you were curious about where these planes were actually coming from...

FWAAA

Your friend is not a reliable source for seat width data.

AA's 77Ws feature 18" wide seats in MCE and Main Cabin use seats that are just 17" wide, according to AA.

http://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/corpo...acts/fleet.jsp

When the 77W debuted, there was some confusion about whether the MCE seats were wider - and eventually, facts won the argument. The extra width is noticeable even in photographs of the cabin (and there are photos in the AA forum).

Maybe your friend thought that they were seated in MCE but they were actually seated elsewhere.

One other possibility is that your friend was in an exit row seat, which are almost always an inch or so more narrow than their non-exit row counterparts (due to fixed armrests containing tray tables, etc.).

I believe that AA did the same thing with the 772 reconfigurations - MCE uses wider seats. Haven't yet measured them myself to confirm.

At the end of the day, 9-across, 18" wide main cabin seats are going to suck compared to any business class seat on a 16 hour flight. But not quite as much as 10-across, 17" wide main cabin seats on that 16 hour flight.

Pi7473000

Hopefully they are not 2 class 777s. The bf on the 777-200 is really dated and the service is not good. The business class on the upper deck is what I still pay to fly United along with options for F class. United Airlines was a premium airline so hopefully they continue to have 3 classes on this plane. I have not been impressed with the 2 class 777 or 787 that United uses.

entropy

UA is the airline of the familiar. Keep it the same: same seats, same meals, same logo, same livery. Its just like the early nineties!

it is interesting they "converted" their 789s,I don't know what the 'optionality' of those contracts actually is, but I'm guessing it helped boeing reduce their deep discount 787 book.

sbm12

While WSJ is reporting it likely that the conversion is of the -9s FlightGlobal is suggesting that there are options for 10 -8s out there which might be what is converted. That makes a lot more sense to me for a number of reasons.

united4

Simple. CO thought it was so successful in the 90s that they refuse to change, because we had that epic turnaround 20 years ago and are the #1 airline!

They have absolutely no intent on throwing away their 1994 rule book, no matter how far AA and DL pass them.

Longboater

With this becoming official, the oldest ten 747s will be turned into beer cans by the end of 2017. Looking at the layout of the 777-300ER, they can do 1-2-1 64 J Seats and 3-4-3 310 Y seats to match the number of premium seats and economy seats on the 747. It'll be a tight fit but, considering the slimming of the narrow body fleet, it is doable. I'm expecting these on ORD-HKG, SFO-HKG, SFO-SYD, LAX-SYD. (Hopefully I'll hit on at least two of these!) Don't rule out more or a future 777-9X order.

JVPhoto

Wasn't there a thread or something about people being invited to Chicago to product test new seats?

mduell

With what products??

CX 77W is 40 1-2-1 B/E SuperDiamond, 32 PE, and 268 in the back. You can make the 268 into ~310 in the back with 3-4-3 @ 31" or 32" slimlines but that only gives you 48-52 J (expanding to fill the PE area) and no E+.

IceTrojan

UA gets deep discounts on 77Ws, which they probably needed anyway.
Boeing gets a better shot at the 777 production line going right into 777X development.
Boeing frees up 789 slots to move up their delivery timetables.
All airlines in queue after UA gets slightly closer to their original delivery date.
UA's seat supplier gets to get rid of excess inventory

All in all, not a bad show for all involved.

Kacee

There was indeed. Wonder what the timeline is to rollout and whether they're far enough along for these aircraft.

UA was actually fairly generous with J and E+ on the 789 configuration. Fingers crossed for the same sort of approach with the 77W.

Longboater

Look at Air Canada's High Density 77W. Assuming United will be choosing the B/E Aerospace Super Diamond seat, i.e. Qatar's new business class seat, they can squeeze in 64 of them. Seven rows between 1D and 2D, and nine rows between 2D and 3D. American has 11 rows of Business in the main business cabin. Fit in three rows of E+ instead of two rows of Business. Then look at Air Canada's High Density 77W for the rest of the aircraft. It'll be a tight fit but they can BARELY fit in 64 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Class seats, which would slightly leapfrog American, stuff in 70 E+ seats and 240 E- seats in slimline signature configuration. Again, a very close fit but would pay dividends for United on some of their most heavily trafficked routes where the A350-1000 would be too small.

TennisNoob

Might of been the reason they pulled out

Like the new 739's they started putting in E- in front of the exit row.

ORDnHKG

Despite everyone thinks the 77W will be 2 class, I actually think it would be 3 class instead, the 10 77W is the right amount to replace the few routes just switched from 744 to 772ER, LAX-SYD and ORD-HKG, remember UA switched to 772ER is not because of the loads got lighter, it is about the 744 products in Y is just lack behind of the competitors. (the streaming movies from your own device and installing power outlets is only a temporary fix as a cheaper option to PTV, I mean what int'l carriers would choose to stream rather than PTV ?)

Other than LAX-SYD and ORD-HKG would be a good fit for 3 class 77W, it could also turn EWR-HKG from 2 class to 3 class too, so 3 routes already 6 planes already. The other 4 77W could also replace the 2 744 for SFO-NRT, and possibly also the 2 744 for SFO-HKG.

So all 3 UA HKG routes would be all 77W, and HKG do have the high yields to support 3 class planes with many GS in F.

This could actually retire the oldest 10 744 first, or maybe 5 744 and 5 772. 3 of the old non-ER 772 won't be retire as they just finished modification into 2 class domestic.