Jan 5, 2015, 11:45 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Previous thread -- Presidential Plus Card Changes
Related thread - General Questions re: MileagePlus Flex PQM
This legacy Chase credit card is not taking new applications. Compiled below is a comparison of current card-derived vs. status-derived benefits.
Overall, the current benefits of the PP and the replacement Club card are nearly identical. The key trade-off is increased redeemable mile (RDM) earnings with the Club card vs. FPQM with the PP card. Basically, the Club card earns an incremental 0.5 RDM / $1 vs. the PP card’s 0.2 PQM / $1. This sets a 2.5 RDM : $1 PQM ratio, which puts a price on PQMs earned this way at $0.025 to $0.050. Given that PQMs cost atleast $0.08 or more each if purchased early in the year via award accelerator, this is a pretty good deal for those who anticipate falling short of the upcoming year’s desired Silver / Gold / Platinum threshold.
Benefits unique to the PP card:
- 1000 FPQM per $5,000 spend (or 0.2 / $1)
- FPQMs are only valid for Premier Silver / Gold / Platinum status, expire 3 years after earning
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend (x2 hotel & rental cars for personal card, x2 restaurants, gas, office supplies for business card)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) waiver (no minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits unique to the Club card:
- 1.5 RDM / $1 card spend
- PQD waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits shared between PP and Club cards:
- $395 annual fee
- United club membership (vs. $450 1K/GS, $500 Platinum, $550 Gold, $550 Silver, $550 GM, +$550 with spouse)
-Waiver of 4 segment on United flights for Premier qualification (removed in 2020)
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- 2 free checked bags (vs. 1 Silver, 2 Gold, 3 Platinum)
- Hyatt Gold Passport Platinum
- Hertz Hertz President's Circle status (vs. Five Star for Premier Silver / Gold) (expiring 31 January 2023)
- CPU on award tickets
- No <21 day award booking fees (vs. $50 Silver, $25 Gold, $0 Platinum)
- No foreign transaction fees
- Concierge service
Benefits compared to Explorer card:
- only $95 annual fee
- only 1 free bag for cardholder and 1 companion
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend, +10,000 bonus after $25,000 card spend)
- 2 single-use club passes
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend)
Sources (accessed Jan 1, 2015):
Chase United Card Benefits
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ewards-new.htm
United Premier Status Benefits
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...r/default.aspx
United Premier Status Qualification Requirements
Premier status qualification requirements
Prior FlyerTalk thread on Presidential Plus card changes
Presidential Plus Card Changes
Based on post by pstrasma
Related thread - General Questions re: MileagePlus Flex PQM
This legacy Chase credit card is not taking new applications. Compiled below is a comparison of current card-derived vs. status-derived benefits.
Overall, the current benefits of the PP and the replacement Club card are nearly identical. The key trade-off is increased redeemable mile (RDM) earnings with the Club card vs. FPQM with the PP card. Basically, the Club card earns an incremental 0.5 RDM / $1 vs. the PP card’s 0.2 PQM / $1. This sets a 2.5 RDM : $1 PQM ratio, which puts a price on PQMs earned this way at $0.025 to $0.050. Given that PQMs cost atleast $0.08 or more each if purchased early in the year via award accelerator, this is a pretty good deal for those who anticipate falling short of the upcoming year’s desired Silver / Gold / Platinum threshold.
Benefits unique to the PP card:
- 1000 FPQM per $5,000 spend (or 0.2 / $1)
- FPQMs are only valid for Premier Silver / Gold / Platinum status, expire 3 years after earning
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend (x2 hotel & rental cars for personal card, x2 restaurants, gas, office supplies for business card)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) waiver (no minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits unique to the Club card:
- 1.5 RDM / $1 card spend
- PQD waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits shared between PP and Club cards:
- $395 annual fee
- United club membership (vs. $450 1K/GS, $500 Platinum, $550 Gold, $550 Silver, $550 GM, +$550 with spouse)
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- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- 2 free checked bags (vs. 1 Silver, 2 Gold, 3 Platinum)
- Hyatt Gold Passport Platinum
- Hertz Hertz President's Circle status (vs. Five Star for Premier Silver / Gold) (expiring 31 January 2023)
- CPU on award tickets
- No <21 day award booking fees (vs. $50 Silver, $25 Gold, $0 Platinum)
- No foreign transaction fees
- Concierge service
Benefits compared to Explorer card:
- only $95 annual fee
- only 1 free bag for cardholder and 1 companion
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend, +10,000 bonus after $25,000 card spend)
- 2 single-use club passes
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend)
Sources (accessed Jan 1, 2015):
Chase United Card Benefits
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ewards-new.htm
United Premier Status Benefits
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...r/default.aspx
United Premier Status Qualification Requirements
Premier status qualification requirements
Prior FlyerTalk thread on Presidential Plus card changes
Presidential Plus Card Changes
Based on post by pstrasma
PresidentialPlus credit card - Benefits, Q&A, .... (impact of 2019 & 2020 MP changes)
Apr 19, 2015, 12:48 pm
#241
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,223
I have what most would consider a "Good problem" if there is such a thing! Lucky enough to have the legacy PP card and would not think of getting rid of it as we use it for our business and amass tons of miles. (and live in Houston so flight choices are great). Now my "problem" is that I am also amassing tons of flexible PQM's - currently over half a million of them! At 75K a year to keep plat status for myself...I am going to start losing at least some of them pretty soon as they only have a 3 year lifespan. I assume I have no other options but figured I'd ask you pros out there just in case!
Apr 19, 2015, 1:29 pm
#242
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: SEA or BGR, Lower Earth Orbit
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 17,217
Keep the PP card but don't use it... get a different card and use that for your business charges. There are plenty of other interesting options out there. If your vendors take Amex, there are a few interesting Amex cards especially the starwood card. If not, look at the Chase or Barclays cards. Also maybe worth having a look at the cashback cards. Consider a card that aligns with any hotel you have status with, or look at the Amex or Citi Hilton cards with which you can earn Diamond status with a high spend (which it looks like you must have...)
Apr 20, 2015, 1:14 pm
#244
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Houston, TX, USA
Programs: UA 1K, AA Lifetime Platinum, DL Platinum, Honors Diamond, Bonvoy Titanium, Hertz Platinum
Posts: 7,969
... have the legacy PP card ... my "problem" is that I am also amassing tons of flexible PQM's - currently over half a million of them! At 75K a year to keep plat status for myself...I am going to start losing at least some of them pretty soon as they only have a 3 year lifespan.
As to what else to do, if you think you get sufficient value out of UA miles, then what I'd do in your situation is to get the other United card that comes with UC membership, but in your wife's name. That way, she'd have a full membership as well (possibly of no use if she never travels without you). But more importantly, you'd get 1.5 RDM's for each dollar spent. It sounds like to me based on your spend, you'd easily overcome the second annual fee in no time. I'd put your first $375k of spend every two years on the PP card, and the rest on the other. However, if, separate from the FQM issue, you already accumulate more UA miles than you know what to do with, I agree with others: consider another airline card, or perhaps a hotel card.
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Apr 20, 2015, 2:34 pm
#245
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: IAH
Programs: UA Silver
Posts: 527
Apr 20, 2015, 3:01 pm
#246
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Apr 20, 2015, 5:31 pm
#247
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It was likely in reference to the quality of the clubs mean that it is really worth only about $50/year.
Apr 20, 2015, 7:09 pm
#248
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Morris County, NJ
Programs: UA 1K/*G, Avis Pres, Marriott Plat
Posts: 2,305
Apr 20, 2015, 7:25 pm
#250
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The public bathrooms in ORD are often cleaner than the ones in the club. I was surprised how quickly things degraded in the new club in F after a few months.
Apr 24, 2015, 7:13 pm
#251
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Comfort, TX, United States
Posts: 55
Chase Presidential Plus Benefit Questions
So I am a long time CPP member that got grandfathered in.
I have two questions,
1) I thought I automatically got an upgrade to to Economy Plus without paying
The last time I looked at a booking they wanted $169 pp for intl flt
2) Does CPP still offer buy 1 biz class get one free and if so what booking class must that be made and how is the booking made? I see no provisions online.
TIA,
Tim
I have two questions,
1) I thought I automatically got an upgrade to to Economy Plus without paying
The last time I looked at a booking they wanted $169 pp for intl flt
2) Does CPP still offer buy 1 biz class get one free and if so what booking class must that be made and how is the booking made? I see no provisions online.
TIA,
Tim
Apr 25, 2015, 9:17 am
#252
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Montebello, CA, USA
Posts: 2,365
Apr 25, 2015, 3:11 pm
#253
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Houston
Programs: United Platinum, Chase Presidential Plus
Posts: 299
So I am a long time CPP member that got grandfathered in.
I have two questions,
1) I thought I automatically got an upgrade to to Economy Plus without paying
The last time I looked at a booking they wanted $169 pp for intl flt
2) Does CPP still offer buy 1 biz class get one free and if so what booking class must that be made and how is the booking made? I see no provisions online.
TIA,
Tim
I have two questions,
1) I thought I automatically got an upgrade to to Economy Plus without paying
The last time I looked at a booking they wanted $169 pp for intl flt
2) Does CPP still offer buy 1 biz class get one free and if so what booking class must that be made and how is the booking made? I see no provisions online.
TIA,
Tim
2) If that is true, they have never advertised that feature to me because I certainly would have used it!
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Apr 25, 2015, 3:39 pm
#254
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Houston
Programs: UA GS 2.6MM & Lifetime UC, Qantas Platinum, Hilton Lifetime Diamond, Bonvoy Platinum, HawaiianMiles
Posts: 8,694
Apr 25, 2015, 4:43 pm
#255
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1. No, as far as I know, this was never a benefit. Silvers get E+ at 24 hours prior to departure.
2. If they DID offer it, and I seem to recall they did numerous years ago, you had to book the 1st ticket at full fare to get the second one free. In many cases, it was less expensive to buy 2 discounted F seats. I don't believe I ever heard of anyone using that feature.
2. If they DID offer it, and I seem to recall they did numerous years ago, you had to book the 1st ticket at full fare to get the second one free. In many cases, it was less expensive to buy 2 discounted F seats. I don't believe I ever heard of anyone using that feature.