Jan 4, 2015, 12:30 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Due to winter (most common Dec/Jan) weather/jetstream conditions for northern TATL flights, the 757-200's UA uses for the thin european routes need to make fuel stop / diversions. Typically at Bangor (BGR) / Goose Bay(YYR) / Gander (YQX) /St. John's (YYT), ....
The most commonly affected European routes are Barcelona (BCN), Berlin (TXL), Hamburg (HAM), Madrid (MAD), Oslo (OSL), Stockholm (ARN)
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The most commonly affected European routes are Barcelona (BCN), Berlin (TXL), Hamburg (HAM), Madrid (MAD), Oslo (OSL), Stockholm (ARN)
Interesting maps
Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind
North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts
Related / previous threads
Why does United put 757s on certain flights from EWR to europe
[757-200 diversions] CO starting hubs at Gander, Goose Bay, etc. [threads merged] pmCO
UA69 (ARN-EWR): Wrong plane, wrong fuel calculations, or bad weather?
2013 Westbound TATL 757 "Short Stops"
Consolidated "United 757 TATL Fuel Stop" Thread [Merged] 2012
North TATL 757 fuel stops / diversion delays [2015]
Jan 5, 2015, 12:17 pm
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Still high-status on two alliances, but I have to say that it's been awhile since I've had the privilege of enjoying the poutine at Gander's cafeteria after a diverted flight. I guess maybe I miss it a little.
Jan 5, 2015, 12:17 pm
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More broadly though, there seem to be at least 3-4 UA int'l cancellations daily now, touching on all aircrafts (47s/67s/77s/87s too). We just don't seem to hear that much about them on OALs (I'm an avid reader of the AA forum and there's really no equivalent to this thread). So I'm curious to see if the data backs that up.
Remember...the operations were supposed to be "fixed"...two years ago now.
More broadly though, there seem to be at least 3-4 UA int'l cancellations daily now, touching on all aircrafts (47s/67s/77s/87s too). We just don't seem to hear that much about them on OALs (I'm an avid reader of the AA forum and there's really no equivalent to this thread). So I'm curious to see if the data backs that up.
Remember...the operations were supposed to be "fixed"...two years ago now.
Reminder, this thread is for TATL / fuel stop related issues and let's not drift off into the greater operation issues in this thread -- there are multiple threads for that.
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Jan 5, 2015, 12:29 pm
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Another comparison point is Icelandair, who fly nothing but 757's TATL, including KEF-SEA, KEF-PDX, KEF-MCO and KEF-DEN, flights that are north of 3100 miles on a circle map. Of course, it may also be run outside the jet stream that keeps the east coast TATL flights bogged down....
Jan 5, 2015, 12:29 pm
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Jan 5, 2015, 12:33 pm
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I'm guessing, UA has more 757's doing these flights than competitors, which is why more diversions??
UA should probably just eliminate some of these flights in January and get some bigger aircraft to do EWR-Star Hubs.
Also, I'm guessing flights like EWR-MCO are taking hits also, as those are usually 757's.
UA should probably just eliminate some of these flights in January and get some bigger aircraft to do EWR-Star Hubs.
Also, I'm guessing flights like EWR-MCO are taking hits also, as those are usually 757's.
Jan 5, 2015, 12:37 pm
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I'm guessing, UA has more 757's doing these flights than competitors, which is why more diversions??
UA should probably just eliminate some of these flights in January and get some bigger aircraft to do EWR-Star Hubs.
Also, I'm guessing flights like EWR-MCO are taking hits also, as those are usually 757's.
UA should probably just eliminate some of these flights in January and get some bigger aircraft to do EWR-Star Hubs.
Also, I'm guessing flights like EWR-MCO are taking hits also, as those are usually 757's.
Jan 5, 2015, 12:40 pm
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400 miles more to here. We have seen that a 737 could definitely work fully loaded in the summer but based on yesterdays performance i'm not sure a 737 would even make it to Halifax which 2500 miles away.
Jan 5, 2015, 12:43 pm
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Jan 5, 2015, 12:43 pm
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2-3 flights of th eaily 8+ are these same 752s -- but UA may be able to minimize the domino effect by some careful aircraft usage management.
Jan 5, 2015, 12:45 pm
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Jan 5, 2015, 12:45 pm
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I thoroughly enjoy the BA A318 JFK-LCY, LCY-SNN-JFK service, but it seems that today's SK951, SVG-IAH is not stopping for fuel.
Jan 5, 2015, 12:46 pm
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The BFS delay seem to be more than just a jetstream issue but a problem at EWR as it was arriving. Based on past history that was a anomaly and probably should not be of general concern.
The regular fuel stop issue for UA is the Northern European cities
Jan 5, 2015, 12:48 pm
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Jan 5, 2015, 12:48 pm
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Jan 5, 2015, 12:50 pm
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But don't they have the er version? I don't doubt it could do it from here. I think it was explained before that it was pointless having a subfleet just for the British Isles and also the fact that the cargo would be reduced.