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Old Feb 12, 2019, 1:21 am
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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Sep 18, 2018, 7:32 pm
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Originally Posted by pviri
UA GPUs are no longer allow to upgrade on P fare now. I get this message "Your paid fare class is not eligible for upgrades. (Error code: 523)"
Whoa. On a UA or a LH ticket? I wonder if Z has been canned as well?
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Old Sep 18, 2018, 7:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
Whoa. On a UA or a LH ticket? I wonder if Z has been canned as well?
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Old Sep 18, 2018, 7:57 pm
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Originally Posted by pviri
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oh man that sucks, i hadn't had an opportunity to do this yet :-( was waiting for new GPUs to deposit
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Old Sep 19, 2018, 3:31 am
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Originally Posted by pviri
UA GPUs are no longer allow to upgrade on P fare now. I get this message "Your paid fare class is not eligible for upgrades. (Error code: 523)"
oh yuck! Let's see if we get other reports on this as well. Could be that UA caught on to this and asked LH to stop it. Could also just be the usual IT issues w/ the UG system that crop up every once in a while.

My waitlist on a P fare is still showing, but they have a history of keeping waitlists regardless.
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Old Sep 19, 2018, 8:54 am
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Originally Posted by jsloan
Other than what's already been suggested -- look for empty cabins, travel mid-week, etc. -- that's pretty much correct.

If you have another source for the inventory data -- e.g., the paid version of the ExpertFlyer subscription -- that can tell you more information than what you can get from UA's expert mode. As it stands, all you know is that there are at least 4 F seats available. Whether that number is actually 4 (half-full) or 8 (completely empty) is actually pretty important for judging your chances of an upgrade.
Do you think mid-week has better chances than Saturdays?
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Old Sep 19, 2018, 9:27 am
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Do you think mid-week has better chances than Saturdays?
I do, yes. There's less demand for mid-week travel in general.
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Old Sep 19, 2018, 2:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Palpal
Do you think mid-week has better chances than Saturdays?
depends entirely on the route IMO
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Old Sep 19, 2018, 11:46 pm
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depends entirely on the route IMO
Boston - Frankfurt during late February and early March
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 12:25 am
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BOS-FRA is an awfully short flight... I would not be super eager to use a Gpu there?
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 12:37 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
BOS-FRA is an awfully short flight... I would not be super eager to use a Gpu there?
Well, I've never made to F class, and I'm not sure when will I make it to 1K status again, so right now I'll take any option :-)
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 12:51 am
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Originally Posted by Palpal
Boston - Frankfurt during late February and early March
That's probably the lowest demand period of the year for TATL.
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 8:37 am
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Originally Posted by Palpal
Boston - Frankfurt during late February and early March
generally not a bad flight for upgrades. Saturday should be fine.

Originally Posted by oliver2002
BOS-FRA is an awfully short flight... I would not be super eager to use a Gpu there?
If FRA is the destination ... agreed. Connecting in FRA then it might make sense. FRA-BOS is a better use.

Originally Posted by Palpal
Well, I've never made to F class, and I'm not sure when will I make it to 1K status again, so right now I'll take any option :-)
Yes, it is fabulous and if you can't use a GPU otherwise ... use it on any flight you could upgrade!
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by pviri
UA GPUs are no longer allow to upgrade on P fare now. I get this message "Your paid fare class is not eligible for upgrades. (Error code: 523)"
I'm getting the same error on a P fare, booked on 016 ticket stock, LH native code.
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 7:49 pm
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Originally Posted by mrt88
I'm getting the same error on a P fare, booked on 016 ticket stock, LH native code.
crap
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Old Sep 22, 2018, 7:12 am
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Originally Posted by mrt88
I'm getting the same error on a P fare, booked on 016 ticket stock, LH native code.
Oh crap. That means my waitlist for next Saturday won't have any chance. It was sort of expected, though. The miles upgrade from P -> O on LH is 70k. I think GPUs have a fixed value associated with them making it inefficient for LH to trade this for P -> O upgrades.
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