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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Aug 29, 2018, 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by azfanboy
From economy lite too? T fare class? Even though it explicitly says it is non-upgradeable
Regional T is upgradable, longhaul isn't. Just check the tables here: https://www.miles-and-more.com/onlin...l=en&cid=18002
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 5:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim

Yup. Can confirm just booked a flight that’s 2 months out, Z class instantly cleared. Cabin was F8 though ... maybe explains why. Hope it stays that way
did you have to convert a code share flight number?

i called UA twice and they refused to. Anyone having any luck with it? I have two flights I’d like to try to upgrade
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 5:41 pm
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Originally Posted by FTLexMUC

did you have to convert a code share flight number?

i called UA twice and they refused to. Anyone having any luck with it? I have two flights I’d like to try to upgrade
You have to convert to a native flight number, and the general advice is to just book it that way to start with because UA agents won't convert.
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 6:59 pm
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Originally Posted by FTLexMUC

did you have to convert a code share flight number?

i called UA twice and they refused to. Anyone having any luck with it? I have two flights I’d like to try to upgrade
Originally Posted by findark
You have to convert to a native flight number, and the general advice is to just book it that way to start with because UA agents won't convert.
Mine is booked on LH stock because I know it's a hassle, but I have specifically been able to book a 016 ticket with UA codeshares and have the 1K desk convert it to a native flight #. This is supposed to be an approved and documented process, however, agents often do not know it. I think it's also linked in the wiki? In my case, a supervisor had to do it both times with NH.
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 7:04 pm
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Originally Posted by FTLexMUC
i called UA twice and they refused to. Anyone having any luck with it? I have two flights I’d like to try to upgrade
What fare class do you have? They will not convert a P or Z.
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 9:59 pm
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Originally Posted by findark
You have to convert to a native flight number, and the general advice is to just book it that way to start with because UA agents won't convert.
is there any trick to booking a LH native # on UA stock? Have an upcoming trip to Europe that I’d like to GPU P into F but haven’t had much luck getting the UA site to play ball
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 10:50 pm
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Originally Posted by nikbruno
is there any trick to booking a LH native # on UA stock? Have an upcoming trip to Europe that I’d like to GPU P into F but haven’t had much luck getting the UA site to play ball
I have always done it by calling and reading the specific flight numbers and booking codes of the itinerary I would like. It helps if you have any UA-marketed segment (like a domestic connection), as agents always feel better if they are selling some "United" travel, but this is not a hard requirement.
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 11:42 pm
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Originally Posted by nikbruno


is there any trick to booking a LH native # on UA stock? Have an upcoming trip to Europe that I’d like to GPU P into F but haven’t had much luck getting the UA site to play ball
I have found that when searching on google flights you sometimes get the option of LH native #, and they can hold when you go to UA to book.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 7:23 pm
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Anyone tried the online request form recently?

It's not working for me. Last time this happened, it took 1-2 weeks to re-establish the broken network connection between LH-UA systems.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 9:02 pm
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Im flying FRA-JNB round trip Oct 11-19th, any idea of the chance that my GPUs clear?
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 9:22 pm
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Anyone tried the online request form recently?

It's not working for me. Last time this happened, it took 1-2 weeks to re-establish the broken network connection between LH-UA systems.
Just used it two days ago, it worked fine. Instantly upgraded one segment in October, one waitlisted.

Originally Posted by mike2003242
Im flying FRA-JNB round trip Oct 11-19th, any idea of the chance that my GPUs clear?
Did you check the F load? That'll tell you your chances.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 9:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
Just used it two days ago, it worked fine. Instantly upgraded one segment in October, one waitlisted.



Did you check the F load? That'll tell you your chances.
Im trying to clear into J the flight there is J9 C9 D9 Z9 P0 I0 and return is J9 C9 D4 Z0 P0 I0
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 10:45 pm
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Im trying to clear into J the flight there is J9 C9 D9 Z9 P0 I0 and return is J9 C9 D4 Z0 P0 I0
If I0 you’ll probably need to wait. But if it’s J9 I’d have fairly good hopes (do you have a qualifying economy fare bucket?)
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Old Aug 31, 2018, 3:20 am
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
Mine is booked on LH stock because I know it's a hassle, but I have specifically been able to book a 016 ticket with UA codeshares and have the 1K desk convert it to a native flight #. This is supposed to be an approved and documented process, however, agents often do not know it. I think it's also linked in the wiki? In my case, a supervisor had to do it both times with NH.
I called and they won’t convert mine since it is P. Was yours a higher fare class or are the rules different for NH?

Originally Posted by Kacee
What fare class do you have? They will not convert a P or Z.
Yes. I had the same result with P. I was just hoping HUACA might lead to success here... would still love to find a way to convert those flights.
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Old Aug 31, 2018, 6:35 am
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim


If I0 you’ll probably need to wait. But if it’s J9 I’d have fairly good hopes (do you have a qualifying economy fare bucket?)
yes Q fare, I've already applied GPU
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