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LH Electronic PlusPts Upgrades -How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,..

Old Jan 23, 2015, 7:28 am
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Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA , Lufthansa or COPA

Partner PlusPoints Upgrade Awards

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with PlusPoints (note to use miles is a separate process) see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA , Lufthansa or COPA You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Partner PlusPoints Upgrade Awards

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply PlusPounts

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not

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Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P,Z-class LH flights with a PlusPoints. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the R, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist. The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS (amadeus altea) rejected online and agent checkin. The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate set of PlusPoints
A single set of PlusPoints can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that PlusPoints cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH upgrades to reflect this change.

Premium Eco To Biz Upgrade

Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Codeshare with UA fare classes are not eligible for upgrades on LH.

LH requires 40 PlusPloints for G fares
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LH Electronic PlusPts Upgrades -How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,..

Old Oct 5, 2023, 10:21 pm
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Originally Posted by GU2012
Long time 1K member. Purchased a LH ticket marketed by United in Q fare class. As I have done several times called mileaegeplus to convert the ticket from codeshare to LH to apply pluspoints. However, both representative and supervisor refused. They claimed that since Q fare class is not available on LH anymore for this flight they cannot convert the ticket and so I cannot apply PP for the upgrade. Never heard this before, thought that if I purchased LH in Q its United's responsibility to convert the ticket regardless of coach availability on LH. I understand that the upgrade is subject to LH availability, but the ablity to *request* the upgrade should not be subject if I purchased a Q fare, no? At least that is how I read what UA website says.
That's sort of what happened to me last month. Had purchased a trip on United that included 2 Q-class flights on LH 2 months earlier. Flight from CPT to FRA accepted the PP upgrade and gave me a confirmation number. Flight from FRA to WDH refused to let me do MUA saying the class of service was not eligible for upgrade. The night before my CPT-FRA, I couldn't check in and found LH had deleted the segment on me. United had to recreate the original booking to get me on the flight, of course now absent upgrade since all seats in J were now filled and my request had been lost anyway when LH deleted the segment.
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Old Oct 6, 2023, 7:12 am
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So I had a similar issue when I tried to change a flight from UA to LH (I was on a United metal flight and wanted a LH metal flight). The agent said they couldn’t sell me a Q fare because when she goes to change to LH it doesn’t exist so no UA Q fare as well. She said if I wanted an upgrade LH fare the cost would be $1023. Got off the phone went to UA website, it offered me the LH flight in Q with UA code (using the tool that lets you select which fare you want) - cost $25. Then called in and said please change UA code to LH code. Boom done. PP on LH cleared the next day (5 days before flight). That all said, I hated LH’s J class - wow those seats have the smallest footwell I have every sat in and zero privacy and my neighbors legs were all on me (sat in the middle section of J). That said J is better than Y so I’ll take the win.
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Old Oct 6, 2023, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by ExplorerWannabe
Flight from FRA to WDH refused to let me do MUA saying the class of service was not eligible for upgrade.
As many have told you before, FRA-WDH is not a LH flight and therefore is obviously not eligible for +P upgrades. Not sure why this keeps getting posted ... LX, OS, SN etc. flights are not eligible either.
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Old Oct 6, 2023, 10:20 pm
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Originally Posted by cfischer
use services such as EF for example.
Per OMAAT, EF can’t do alerts for Star Alliance + Virgin Australia + Vistara upgrades and awards any more:

https://onemileatatime.com/news/expe...-availability/
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Old Oct 7, 2023, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by Infinite1K
Per OMAAT, EF can’t do alerts for Star Alliance + Virgin Australia + Vistara upgrades and awards any more:

https://onemileatatime.com/news/expe...-availability/
Which is completely irrelevant here ... and it is already covered in a separate thread.
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Old Oct 7, 2023, 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by cfischer
Which is completely irrelevant here ... and it is already covered in a separate thread.
Sorry if I’m missing something, but you had said use EF to get alerts for the upgrade bucket fares and EF is saying they will not offer that anymore.
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Old Oct 7, 2023, 12:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Infinite1K
Sorry if I’m missing something, but you had said use EF to get alerts for the upgrade bucket fares and EF is saying they will not offer that anymore.
You could never get that from EF in the first place; LH upgrade inventory for +Ps has never been viewable on EF. The post referred to the ability to search for available Q-class.
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Old Oct 12, 2023, 3:23 am
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A friend was so kind to sponsor my upgrade from PE (E) to Business (I) with PP for my flight to DFW tomorrow. Request went into waitlist in May, was transferred to the DCS at T-72h and cleared at T-36h. Since I had not checked in, the original segment was swapped with the WL segment and and went from HL to KL. Was able to pick a new seat from MMB and checkin without issues. Lets see if all goes well for my return from DEN on Sunday.
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Old Oct 13, 2023, 11:54 am
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Cheapest LH fare class for PP upgrade?

I booked a codeshare flight (UA marketed, LH operated) in Q class. I called to have it switched to a true LH number so I can request upgrade with PP, and the rep said I needed to pay a few hundred dollars for the lowest upgradable LH fare class. I believe some of the UA fare classes might not match up to LH ones... does anyone have fare class equivalents so I can get this right?
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Old Oct 13, 2023, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by nycflyer222
I booked a codeshare flight (UA marketed, LH operated) in Q class. I called to have it switched to a true LH number so I can request upgrade with PP, and the rep said I needed to pay a few hundred dollars for the lowest upgradable LH fare class. I believe some of the UA fare classes might not match up to LH ones... does anyone have fare class equivalents so I can get this right?
A United Q fare is a Lufthansa Q fare. Try calling again and getting a different agent. You may need to speak with Web Support.
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Old Oct 13, 2023, 1:50 pm
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Is LH Q-class available? The agent might have quoted an upfare to the lowest available LH fare class. Q-class is eligible to be upgraded.
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Old Oct 13, 2023, 1:57 pm
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Yes, I got it sorted out today and requested the PP upgrade! Perhaps Q wasn't available when I called last time -- thanks!
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Old Oct 14, 2023, 1:31 am
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PP Upgrade showing availability wrong class?

Hi all,
I want to apply plus Points on my FRA - EWR leg, currently booked in D.

when applying plus point upgrade i get the below:
“business cabin upgrade”

am I right in assuming the system believes me to be in Y?



Has anyone encountered this before?
Or would it show this even for a first class upgrade?

thanks everyone
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Old Oct 14, 2023, 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by fgffm
Hi all,
I want to apply plus Points on my FRA - EWR leg, currently booked in D.

when applying plus point upgrade i get the below:
“business cabin upgrade”

am I right in assuming the system believes me to be in Y?
It is confusing but here they mean you are trying to upgrade from business class. Not a problem.
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Old Oct 14, 2023, 1:25 pm
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It is confusing but here they mean you are trying to upgrade from business class. Not a problem.
Thank you for clarifying! Worked like a charm. Much appreciated!
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