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goodeats21 Sep 20, 14 6:49 am

I had several itineraries hit with schedule changes last night.

They seemed to have totally dropped IAD flights to/from JFK. That eliminates JFK as option for most of the Eastern USA as there are no JFK flights from ORD either. Seems to be effective from late October.

So much for access to P.S. flights. Totally kills one of my itineraries. No way to get to JFK. :mad::td:

More network shrinkage....

exerda Sep 20, 14 7:17 am


Originally Posted by goodeats21 (Post 23554800)
I had several itineraries hit with schedule changes last night.

They seemed to have totally dropped IAD flights to/from JFK. That eliminates JFK as option for most of the Eastern USA as there are no JFK flights from ORD either. Seems to be effective from late October.

So much for access to P.S. flights. Totally kills one of my itineraries. No way to get to JFK. :mad::td:

More network shrinkage....

I wonder if this is a glitch, or a permanent problem? IAD-JFK still shows up on the PDF timetable, but I can't find it on the interactive timetable after 10/15. :mad:

I suppose one could still fly to LGA and take the bus over to JFK, but what a pain.

anc-ord772 Sep 20, 14 8:31 am


Originally Posted by goodeats21 (Post 23554800)
They seemed to have totally dropped IAD flights to/from JFK. That eliminates JFK as option for most of the Eastern USA as there are no JFK flights from ORD either. Seems to be effective from late October.

via twitter

@united r u ending all IAD flights to/from JFK after 15OCT?

@anc-ord772 The last day is the 25th of October.

goalie Sep 20, 14 9:08 am


Originally Posted by anc-ord772 (Post 23555120)
via twitter

@united r u ending all IAD flights to/from JFK after 15OCT?

@anc-ord772 The last day is the 25th of October.

That really sucks as IAD-JFK (and vv) was a nice "out" under irrops at either airport. So does that leave JFK with only PS flights as the only UA presence?

UA-NYC Sep 20, 14 9:18 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 23555244)
That really sucks as IAD-JFK (and vv) was a nice "out" under irrops at either airport. So does that leave JFK with only PS flights as the only UA presence?

Yes

Bigger question - what happens to those slots? Doubt they add PS frequency.

goodeats21 Sep 20, 14 10:36 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 23555244)
That really sucks as IAD-JFK (and vv) was a nice "out" under irrops at either airport. So does that leave JFK with only PS flights as the only UA presence?

I took my first crack at a call with the (fake) 1K desk. The agent had no idea of the JFK eliminations and was at a loss for what to do with my itinerary.

I purposefully just asked for options to see what they would suggest. The only option they offered was a refund. :td:

I told them I would do some searching for options, so they left it intact for now.

dsauch Sep 20, 14 12:55 pm

UA to end JFK-IAD Service, Effective 25 October 2014
 
Just saw a red alert on my reservation and the change was that JFK-IAD segment of JFK-IAD-AUA was dropped.
Called the 1K line the first rep was only willing to change to LGA-IAD-AUA and not EWR-AUA, and she also checked other days and so no other JFK-IAD flights.
Her thought was that UA pulled out of that market.
A quick check with KVS and other tools confirmed it.

exerda Sep 20, 14 1:00 pm


Originally Posted by dsauch (Post 23556052)
Just saw a red alert on my reservation and the change was that JFK-IAD segment of JFK-IAD-AUA was dropped.
Called the 1K line the first rep was only willing to change to LGA-IAD-AUA and not EWR-AUA, and she also checked other days and so no other JFK-IAD flights.
Her thought was that UA pulled out of that market.
A quick check with KVS and other tools confirmed it.

HUACA re: getting EWR-AUA. They ought to allow that switch.

UA-NYC Sep 20, 14 1:15 pm


Originally Posted by exerda (Post 23556067)
HUACA re: getting EWR-AUA. They ought to allow that switch.

Seriously. :td: Why the never-ending pushback on the most obvious substitutions?

dsauch Sep 20, 14 1:16 pm


Originally Posted by exerda (Post 23556067)
HUACA re: getting EWR-AUA. They ought to allow that switch.

yep, HUACA was in progress - second rep not only changed the outbound to direct, but also the return. And in a higher bucket as well. So I lost 2 hours on a beach (1 in, 1 out) but gained peace of mind avoiding 1h connections in IAD and PTY :-)
all in all, I'd say a win :-)^


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 23556116)
Seriously. :td: Why the never-ending pushback on the most obvious substitutions?

her reasoning was: "if you wanted a non-stop you would have bought a non-stop". And - "we have other alternatives".
I was not going to argue with her - just glad she didnt put notes in my PNR and second rep was much nicer.
In the same vein - if I wanted to fly from LGA I would have bought LGA...

Always Flyin Sep 20, 14 1:22 pm

Yeah, enjoy EWR.

Not a win in my book.

exerda Sep 20, 14 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by dsauch (Post 23556123)
her reasoning was: "if you wanted a non-stop you would have bought a non-stop".

IMHO this is worthy of a complaint. UA screws up your res by cancelling the JFK-IAD segment, and the agent blames you for booking a connection? :td:

rtalk25 Sep 20, 14 1:58 pm


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 23555274)
Bigger question - what happens to those slots? Doubt they add PS frequency.

I wonder if these can be sold? Maybe it'd swap with Frontier: Frontier's 2 LGA slot pairs for the 4 UA JFK slot pairs. LGA seems to hold greater value so maye a good ratio is 2:4. This would guarantee also that Frontier doesn't swap out it's LGA slots for EWR slots and UA having to deal with a ULCC in EWR.

UA can also add ORD and IAD into ISP (Long Island) airport. Fares wouldn't be competitive and more like how UA sells high fares on MHT-ORD and PVD-ORD even though Southwest offers much lower fares to MDW, but UA keeps the flights for connections.

blug Sep 20, 14 3:03 pm

I always thought it was an odd route. JFK to nowhere else, no ORD, IAH, but IAD.

SunLover Sep 20, 14 3:16 pm


Originally Posted by blug (Post 23556467)
I always thought it was an odd route. JFK to nowhere else, no ORD, IAH, but IAD.

NYC is the financial capital of the United States, and home to the United Nations. WAS is the political capital of the United States. Makes sense from that perspective alone.

As much as I despise the CRJ200's this is a loss to the network. I hope it is replaced by some other service; either to some other UA hubs or international destinations.


SunLover


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