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UA to end JFK-IAD Service, Effective 25 October 2014

UA to end JFK-IAD Service, Effective 25 October 2014

Old Sep 21, 14, 11:09 am
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC View Post
No, totally unrelated.

Everyone needs to get over PS coming to EWR at some point...it's just not a premium airport/destination relative to JFK.

Plus, UA owns EWR (figuratively), so they have little incentive to offer a super-premium product TCON (compared to JFK, where the stakes, and competitors, are much higher).
Plus, there have been reports that indicate that UA still holds quite a premium on LAX/SFO-JFK fares and yields. That doesn't lead one to the conclusion that they are planning to pull out of JFK. Granted, competition has been heating up the market, but you don't just wipe out that kind of legacy advantage quickly or easily.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 11:43 am
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Unfortunate that the option to connect from DC to PS service is gone but frankly I could rarely justify it anyways because it effectively added 2-3 hours to a 5 hour trip. Given the light loads I always experienced (out of about 8 times booking it) and the fact that 3 out of those 8 times it was canceled and I had to scramble to either a rebooking on amtrak or out of LGA I understand that it probably made sense.

Hopefully there is a new route added somewhere instead of just yet another cut in the network.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 11:58 am
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC View Post
UA owns EWR (figuratively), so they have little incentive to offer a super-premium product TCON (compared to JFK, where the stakes, and competitors, are much higher).
This is a fair reason (for now) why p.s. flights may not be coming to EWR. (Though I would hardly call them "super-premium)

Everyone needs to get over PS coming to EWR at some point...it's just not a premium airport/destination relative to JFK.
I'd hardly call this a reason. Nor would I describe JFK as a premium airport/destination any more or less than EWR. If you're looking at NYC as the destination, than it's a premium destination and EWR is no less than JFK. If you're looking at the airport, you gotta see some more airports
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Old Sep 21, 14, 12:02 pm
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Originally Posted by united4 View Post
CO did not serve JFK at the time of the merger.
Your wording implied CO never served JFK. I think we all know they didn't at time of merger.

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Old Sep 21, 14, 2:14 pm
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Originally Posted by joshwex90 View Post
This is a fair reason (for now) why p.s. flights may not be coming to EWR. (Though I would hardly call them "super-premium)
I guess, for comparison's sake, you could call domestic F "premium" (I mean, not with UA, but generally), but any TCONs that have int'l biz-style seating and amenities, to me that's super-premium.

I'd hardly call this a reason. Nor would I describe JFK as a premium airport/destination any more or less than EWR. If you're looking at NYC as the destination, than it's a premium destination and EWR is no less than JFK. If you're looking at the airport, you gotta see some more airports
I'm guessing there's far more int'l F at JFK than at EWR. And of course JFK is where all the premium TCONs go too. Follow the money...the $$$ flows to JFK, thus that's where more premium product goes.

Neither airport is beautiful by any means, though some of the newer terminals at JFK are quite nice inside & out.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by catocony View Post
Most business customers from DCA/IAD to New York prefer to fly into LGA since it's a much faster cab ride into the city. Maybe if UA beefed up IAD-LGA they could pick up some customers. Those of us who live near Dulles don't really use Amtrak since it's a long ride down to Union Station to catch a train. So, while Acela has nearly killed off the DCA-LGA hourly shuttles, it's not a great option for everyone.

I've flown IAD-JFK a bunch of times, but usually to then drive further out on Long Island. Fares on IAD-JFK were usually a few hundred bucks cheaper than to LGA, so it got some tourist business connecting in from elsewhere at IAD.

EWR really isn't an option for a lot of people. Cab fares through the tunnels are exorbitant, and taking the train from EWR to Penn Station and then cabbing/subway from there to wherever makes for a really long day.
This. Another bit of IAD/Dulles NoVa hating by UA. Why not just shoot us now? Not everyone wants to haul into DCA and there are plenty of us in NoVa who need to get to LI. And with the miserable excuse for flights they now have for IAD-LGA our access to NYC is now limited on UA. Jetblue has killed almost all their IAD-JFK (2x daily), leaving Delta as the only other one on this route. Delta also killed IAD-LGA last year so I am now forced again on a miserable drive into DCA where traffic means I can only take the 6AM out or a flight back after 7PM.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 2:47 pm
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It will be interesting to see what happens with UA and JFK as others have mentioned. With the remaining few PS flights left, as others have mentioned, how long will they (United) will hang on to JFK.

It seems silly to operate a United Club and United Global First Lounge at an airport that will see less than 20 of their own flights per day, when the Washington flights end. I understand the dynamics of the lounges for the PS flights, but when the bottom line is what matters most to a company, there has to be more to this plan.

I live in NJ and I won't drive to JFK or LGA because of the distance, though plenty of my friends and family will go to NYC airports or PHL, based on the right price points or connections. I am hopeful one of those JFK-IAD flights can go to ACY. I know it won't happen, but we can dream.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 3:10 pm
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Originally Posted by joshwex90 View Post
I'd hardly call this a reason. Nor would I describe JFK as a premium airport/destination any more or less than EWR. If you're looking at NYC as the destination, than it's a premium destination and EWR is no less than JFK. If you're looking at the airport, you gotta see some more airports
Originally Posted by UA-NYC View Post
And of course JFK is where all the premium TCONs go too. Follow the money...the $$$ flows to JFK, thus that's where more premium product goes.
Of course. Premium traffic is not just a reason PS exists @ JFK from the west coast, it is the reason it exists. Why else would UA create a special plane configuration for it, and maintain an entire operating station at an airport they don't otherwise serve? It's as close to a self-evident truth as you can get.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by 787fan View Post
UA flies from NYC to all 3 of DC metro airports, and from IAD to both LGA and EWR, spanning both sides of the river. How exactly is nyc access "limited" ?
Eliminating IAD-JFK-IAD is indeed a limitation especially when you consider international flights. As you must be aware, the new United under Co management has eliminated a number of nonstop international flights from IAD.

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Old Sep 21, 14, 4:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Billygreg View Post
Another bit of IAD/Dulles NoVa hating by UA. Why not just shoot us now? Not everyone wants to haul into DCA and there are plenty of us in NoVa who need to get to LI.
This is hardly IAD hating. There might be plenty of people who want to fly IAD-JFK, but there aren't enough of you for UA to make $$$ on the route.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 4:36 pm
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Originally Posted by cyborg View Post
Eliminating IAD-JFK-IAD is indeed a limitation especially when you consider international flights. As you must be aware, the new United under Co management has eliminated a number of nonstop international flights from IAD....
Along the same lines of some flights have been shifted to IAD? I'm not an expert but I remember reading that some time ago.

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Old Sep 21, 14, 5:14 pm
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Originally Posted by goodeats21 View Post
Or alternatively, constant reductions in the route network continue to push customers to competitors. Maybe the endgame is to shrink United to IAH<->EWR as the only route. I guess it will be profitable....

Like ever other route elimination thread, unless someone has access to detailed financial data AND the tools to understand how each route abandonment impacts the whole system, it is impossible to state route profitability status with any certainty.
The impact of the small number of eliminated routes is being greatly exaggerated. Particularly in this case, when the city pair is still served with multiple other options.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 5:41 pm
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Sorry to hear the JFK-IAD flights going away. One of my first international business trips was IAD-JFK-GRU.

I also flew PS a few times with IAD being my starting or ending point. It came in handy a few times when taking bumps on the SFO-IAD red eyes and jumping on the SFO-JFK redeye.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 7:59 pm
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Originally Posted by 787fan View Post
UA flies from NYC to all 3 of DC metro airports, and from IAD to both LGA and EWR, spanning both sides of the river. How exactly is nyc access "limited" ?

The LGA flights are just as hideous (ridiculous timing and miserable delays) as the JFK flights true but now I have just have one option to get to Long Island. Since I am actually going to LI not NYC, EWR is not really a NY airport. Again, a lame, NoVA/Dulles hating decision from a clueless airline that can't figure out how to service the captive audience they have in the most affluent area in the Capital region, and believes, stupidly, that they can cut their way to consistent profitability.

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Old Sep 21, 14, 8:00 pm
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So we have another market between a DL hub and a UA hub which DL operates and UA downsizes?
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