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UA to end JFK-IAD Service, Effective 25 October 2014

UA to end JFK-IAD Service, Effective 25 October 2014

Old Sep 21, 14, 1:13 am
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The decision to cut aside, why less than 5 weeks notice?
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Old Sep 21, 14, 2:29 am
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Originally Posted by meFIRST View Post
If you are going to DXB after the DOH fight drops, those flights leave at 10PM now, so why would I want to take the 2:30PM JFK-IAD flight?. The 7:30PM flight fits nicely. If UA caves, there is a 10PM to FRA on LH and other possibilities. ( EK notwithstanding)

Now if I were to leave from EWR, the 7:30PM leave right at the SAME TIME the last flight to Frankfurt leaves, leaving me stuck at EWR. Oh well.
Sorry, but you don't keep 4 daily flights around to feed one onward departure. That's simply ridiculous.

And if things fall apart at 7:30pm you can still get to JFK for the 22:10 departure. But, again, planning the NYC operations around DXB as a destination is rather silly.
Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH View Post
I was definitely on a CO plane IAH-JFK some years back. Connected to the misery known as Aerolineas Argentina. Let's remember that CO did serve JFK.
Sure they did. It was so horrible in loads/yields that it was oft considered an easy upgrade for Silver elites on a 735 (8 F seats). No surprise that it disappeared.
Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
How much service does JetBlue have on the IAD-JFK route?
They fly it ~2x daily.

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Despite all the hand-wringing and fretting here the market there is not particularly large. LGA isn't too far away on the NYC side and the mass transit options aren't all that much worse than JFK, particularly now with the new Q70 bus.

The IAD-JFK route was horribly unreliable. I've had agents strongly suggest that I not bother rebooking on that when other flights in the area were delayed knowing full well that it would be amongst the first to be sacrificed when further cuts were needed (and they were correct every time).



Pretending that taking the flight delayed more than half the time and an average of 78 minutes to make a ~90 minute connection to the IAD-DXB flight is about as silly as pretending that the JFK-IAD route should be kept around for the IAD-DXB feed. LGA isn't that far away and can easily absorb those passengers.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 3:44 am
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Regarding NYC being the financial capital and WAS being the political capital, I've done the trip a few times, and prefer Acela Express. (Sure, I wish it was a maglev, but it's good enough.)
Union Street Station is 10-15 minute walk to the Capitol. And more convenient on the outbound - can pick up the train at Penn Station, which is easier to get to from Wall Street (or midtown) than EWR, JFK, or LGA. AND I have the other options (Newark Penn, Metropark).

JFK-IAD isn't enough for UA. IF they had a larger presence in JFK (IAD, IAH, ORD, BOS, maybe even a couple of international flights,) than this would be a bigger loss. But as the only non-p.s. route, with a hub close enough geographically that works just as well for connecting pax, and serves O&D better for some and the same for some, it really isn't that much of a loss
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Old Sep 21, 14, 7:18 am
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Interesting to hear everyone's thoughts.

Bottom line though, it is another reduction in the United route network that definitely affects some customers - with P.S. service and Star Alliance impacts.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 7:27 am
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The only two times I took this flight in the past two years ended with them calling me a taxi to drive me to EWR after delays caused onward missed connections.

And the only reason I was taking it is because I was travelling with someone going back to LA and it allowed us to share a cab and have more time together, lounge, etc.

Otherwise I can't imagine why I would want to take this flight when plentiful nonstops out of LGA were available (which I normally use via DL), and I have always wondered why on earth it existed.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by joshwex90 View Post
I've done the trip a few times, and prefer Acela Express.

JFK-IAD isn't enough for UA.
Could it be that they are dropping this route to start another? Could IAH be resurrected?
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Old Sep 21, 14, 7:35 am
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Should we expect upgauging on the LGA-IAD route as a result? These flights were generally full from my experience, though a fair amount of that was nonrev.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 7:39 am
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Originally Posted by ani90 View Post
Could it be that they are dropping this route to start another? Could IAH be resurrected?
Flying to a 3rd NYC airport from IAH? Highly doubtful.
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DEN or ORD is more likely if UA wants to feed *A airlines such as South Africa Airlines.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by Kmxu View Post
DEN or ORD is more likely if UA wants to feed *A airlines such as South Africa Airlines.
Not likely as they already code share with Jetblue.
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Does this thread http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...k-liberty.html suggest that moving p.s. to EWR is a possibility?

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Old Sep 21, 14, 10:22 am
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Originally Posted by Wombat1 View Post
Does this thread http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...k-liberty.html suggest that moving p.s. to EWR is a possibility?
No, totally unrelated.

Everyone needs to get over PS coming to EWR at some point...it's just not a premium airport/destination relative to JFK.

Plus, UA owns EWR (figuratively), so they have little incentive to offer a super-premium product TCON (compared to JFK, where the stakes, and competitors, are much higher).
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Old Sep 21, 14, 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by goodeats21 View Post
Interesting to hear everyone's thoughts.

Bottom line though, it is another reduction in the United route network that definitely affects some customers - with P.S. service and Star Alliance impacts.
Bottom line: If they kept flying unprofitable routes just to please 'some customers', then we could restart the thread about 'How soon will UA re-enter bankruptcy'.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO View Post
Bottom line: If they kept flying unprofitable routes just to please 'some customers', then we could restart the thread about 'How soon will UA re-enter bankruptcy'.
Or alternatively, constant reductions in the route network continue to push customers to competitors. Maybe the endgame is to shrink United to IAH<->EWR as the only route. I guess it will be profitable....

Like ever other route elimination thread, unless someone has access to detailed financial data AND the tools to understand how each route abandonment impacts the whole system, it is impossible to state route profitability status with any certainty.
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Old Sep 21, 14, 11:01 am
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Originally Posted by Kmxu View Post
DEN or ORD is more likely if UA wants to feed *A airlines such as South Africa Airlines.
Those connections will be handled over IAD. Or via the existing codeshare partnership with B6.

Originally Posted by UA-NYC View Post
Everyone needs to get over PS coming to EWR at some point...it's just not a premium airport/destination relative to JFK.
Agreed, at least in the context of transcons.
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