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Old Oct 30, 2014, 8:09 pm
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To verify changes to the primary address on your MileagePlus account, please submit two forms of documentation that include your new address. Each document must be dated and include your name, as shown on your MileagePlus account*, and your residential address. The new address cannot be a business address and must match the address listed on the submitted documents. Please block out all non-essential personally identifiable information from the submitted documents.
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Accepted address verification documents
1. Change of address confirmation provided by the postal service (United States Postal Service or an international postal service)
2. Copy of postmarked mail with current address listed as forwarding address
3. Government-issued ID (e.g., national identification card, foreign drivers license)
4. Utility bill dated within the past 90 days
5. Receipt for personal property taxes paid within the past year
6. Rental agreement or residential lease dated within the past year
7. Payroll statement provided by the members employer, dated within the past 90 days
8. U.S. military ID
9. Official government/military travel orders or proof of official duty status


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*If the members name does not match the name on the document being provided, please submit an additional document from the list above,or a marriage or name-change certificate or other government-issued document, that includes both the members name and the name on the verification document.
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New change address verification for MP (just non-domestic changes)

Old Sep 20, 2014, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by kb1992
Typical small ball thinking.

There are millions MP members with foreign addresses.

This verification is costly to UA, but the gain is so small.

Is UA going to hire 150 MP agents to check and verify people's foreign addresses?

Remember, these agents must read not just English or French, but also Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese?

I am at a loss. What's there to gain for UA?
I think just the threat / possibility that this (an audit, closure of MP account) might happen is enough to scare off most people who might consider cheating the system in this manner.
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Old Sep 20, 2014, 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by kb1992
.... There are millions MP members with foreign addresses. ...
hardly millions of elites with foreign addresses (since the total elite population is estimated a roughly at a million) and limit to those who recently changed from USA to non-USA addresses and have lower PQD totals and I suspect you are closer to thousands than millions. Especially if you start from just the highest elite levels.

Does it make sense, not suggesting it would. But some visible enforcement might be consider if UA senses a significant problem.
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Old Sep 20, 2014, 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
(since the total elite population is estimated a roughly at a million)
It is?
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Old Sep 20, 2014, 5:08 pm
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Originally Posted by transportprof
Ah ha! That explains UA's move in this direction.
DL announced the program change for Medallion Qualifying Dollars in mid-Jan '13 and had the change for foreign address requirements up in less than four weeks from that.

As to why United would do this - maybe they've seen a wave of address changes, a volume out of pattern.
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Old Sep 20, 2014, 5:27 pm
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Changed mine long time ago, and actually the only true home and real estate I own is overseas...not gonna matter tho, pretty much dumping UA, just a few more small miles to burn before status ends soon.
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Old Sep 20, 2014, 5:28 pm
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Well this is a pain - I switched my address to the US this week because I need to have a GPU certificate mailed to me while I'm travelling, and now it sounds like it's going to be awkward to switch back.
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Old Sep 20, 2014, 5:47 pm
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO
Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
.... (since the total elite population is estimated a roughly at a million) .....
It is?
From the various estimate / guesstimates folks have made and based on the 2005 published numbers (800K), a million today is probably a lower bound and upper bound sub-2 million would be my guess. There have been many threads on this and its all guesstimates because UA is not likely to release the real numbers. Your numbers is a good as my number -- but let's not take this thread OT.

So in the context of the previous exchange, the number of those elites with non-USA address is very unlikely to be millions.
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Old Sep 20, 2014, 6:17 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
So in the context of the previous exchange, the number of those elites with non-USA address is very unlikely to be millions.
The previous exchange started that there are more than a million MP members with non-USA address.

The new policy seems to require EVERY member who changes address to abroad to show evidence.

We are not just talking about elites?
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Old Sep 20, 2014, 6:21 pm
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Originally Posted by kb1992
The previous exchange started that there are more than a million MP members with non-USA address.

The new policy seems to require EVERY member who changes address to

We are not just talking about elites?
Are you contenting there are millions of MP members annually changing their USA address to a non-USA address?
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Old Sep 20, 2014, 6:30 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Are you contenting there are millions of MP members annually changing their USA address to a non-USA address?
In the context of discussion here, people are speculating UA will check every change of address to abroad recently.

Within 6 months? 1 year? Nobody knows.

There are maybe 80 million MP members. Is it possible that 500,000 changed address to abroad? Or 200,000?

Nobody knows the exact number. But the point is the same. It's stupid to spend such efforts for very little gain.

Not to mention foreign language (Korean, Chinese, Russian, Vietnamese, etc. etc) proficiency of Mileage Plus agents.
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Old Sep 20, 2014, 6:59 pm
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Who said they would check all address changes? Customs don't check all travellers - you fill out a form and then sometimes you are stopped perhaps randomly or perhaps for a reason. No doubt UA will do similarly. You provide the paperwork and only sometimes will they check it thoroughly.

In reality, any abuse will be limited to those under the PQD threshold who either would be 1K, or who would be a lower tier and don't have the credit card (which in theory is only available to US residents). So, once you've boiled the numbers down to that small set, and only look at those who change their address from the US, and screen out those whose trips generally originate outside the US - and then only sample say 1 in 100 - you will have a small number to deal with.

All UA has to do is find two or three culprits and publicise their expulsion from the program and they will have frightened off most of the abusive (largely FT) community.
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Old Sep 20, 2014, 9:20 pm
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New change address verification for MP (just non-domestic changes?)

I take it as a sign that the foreign address waiver will continue next year.
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Old Sep 21, 2014, 7:23 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Perhaps UA will do a check of travel patterns and just focus on the oddball cases.
Travel patterns does not necessarily reflect one's 'address'. I for example have a foreign address but most of my travel is ex-USA. My mum has most her travel ex-LHR but she does not spend more than two months a year in the UK.

What is not stated is how UA defines an address. Many people legitimately have more than one address. Some people have five or ten legitimate addresses. Many people have a primary address and secondary address(es). Some have no effective primary address but truly have multiple residences. Some split themselves between a working residence and a weekend residence. Unless UA defines what an address is then it cannot attempt to invoke residence based on travel patterns.

Many people have a fluid and variable work and living pattern and their "address" changes from time to time. My 'address' has probably changed 10 times in almost two decades I have been with MP (and OnePass) - I have simply just kept the first address I used, which as always still been my single base address, as I have for my bank and most other important correspondence. Of course the assumption too is that everyone who spends time in USA but keeps a foreign address is doing so to avoid PQDs - my PQD when I last could check was over 20,000 USD.

Originally Posted by emcampbe
Property tax receipt is on there, but not, for example, tax return. .
Addresses for tax purposes are defined differently. Most people pay tax primarily in one country. If you move around, that can change from year to year. Your home doesn't necessarily change and you may or may not pay your tax there. Tax is based more on where you spend most the time or where you work or where you earn the most. Many countries don't even provide tax returns.
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Old Sep 21, 2014, 7:39 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
Perhaps UA will do a check of travel patterns and just focus on the oddball cases.
If you travel on non *A airlines, there is no way UA can be certain about you travel patten.

Originally Posted by Neil35
I take it as a sign that the foreign address waiver will continue next year.
Good observation.
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Old Sep 21, 2014, 9:19 pm
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I'd be really curious to know if address verification is targeted at certain levels of elites or certain levels of PQD attainment... any data points would be great.
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