With the "Wright Amendment" set to expire @ Dallas Love, will UAL change service ?
Aug 25, 2014, 11:12 am
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 117
With the "Wright Amendment" set to expire @ Dallas Love, will UAL change service ?
We can report that the gates for Virgin America and United, the leaseholders in the new terminal, look ready from the passengers’ side. Equipment remains to be installed at the agents’ stations, but chairs and decorations seem to be largely there.
To orient yourself, think of the new terminal as a great big T. Passengers enter the terminal fro the bottom of the T, after going through the security checkpoint and ascending stairs or escalators to the second level that connects the lobby to the terminal.
The crossbar of the T holds all the gates. Southwest has all the gates to the right and all the gates along the top of the T. That would include gates 1-10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 19 and 20.
***
Closer to the left end of the terminal, United has gates 15 and 17 to complete the bottom of that side of the T, all the way the end. Its gate area is open to view because the United gate area goes right against the Southwest gate area.
To orient yourself, think of the new terminal as a great big T. Passengers enter the terminal fro the bottom of the T, after going through the security checkpoint and ascending stairs or escalators to the second level that connects the lobby to the terminal.
The crossbar of the T holds all the gates. Southwest has all the gates to the right and all the gates along the top of the T. That would include gates 1-10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 19 and 20.
***
Closer to the left end of the terminal, United has gates 15 and 17 to complete the bottom of that side of the T, all the way the end. Its gate area is open to view because the United gate area goes right against the Southwest gate area.
*****
I dunno, right now they are using the gates strictly for RJ service to IAH, but could they now introduce some mainline service to other hubs from Love ?
Aug 25, 2014, 11:24 am
#2
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,169
Going head to head vs WN, with major operations on the other side of town? Unlikely. No different than SJC/OAK.
Aug 25, 2014, 11:34 am
#3
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 5,825
I think you are comparing apples and oranges.
Unless you are somehow referring to DFW? What major operations does UA have in place at DFW?
Aug 25, 2014, 11:36 am
#4
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: A festering pit; a pustule of a fistula set athwart the miasmic swamps of the armpit of the Gulf of Mexico - a Godforsaken wart upon a dark crevasse of the World. (IAH)
Programs: UA Lifetime Gold, BA Silver, Marriott Lifetime Plat, Hilton Gold, Accor Gold
Posts: 31,403
It's actually significantly different from the set-up at SFO vs. SJC/OAK for UA. Unlike AA, UA does not have a cross-town hub at DFW. Also, unlike SJC and OAK, DAL is a much more convenient airport than DFW for travelers visiting the largest nearby business travel market. I don't think it's unrealistic to see UA give DAL to other UA hubs a try, perhaps on E75 aircraft to test the waters.
Aug 25, 2014, 11:41 am
#6
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,169
. Reading fail. Either way - for a non growing airline, I doubt it.
Aug 25, 2014, 11:55 am
#7
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 5,825
Is there any cap on UA's flights to/from DAL?
What else could make sense for United out of DAL?
Perhaps SFO, ORD, or IAD to compete with SW and VX new flights?
You can already get to all these places (plus EWR and DEN) from DFW though, so not sure how much sense it would make for UA to try and expand at DAL where they have a minimal presence in place.
Aug 25, 2014, 12:32 pm
#8
Join Date: Sep 2013
Programs: Hotels.com WR Silver ;)
Posts: 240
I think the most likely routes they would try are DEN and SFO. They tried DEN bit wright limited them to 50 seaters. Maybe it would do better with a 70 seater. I doubt they would divert mainline resources to develop this (likely marginal) market.
Aug 25, 2014, 12:43 pm
#9
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2001
Location: LAX; AA EXP, MM; HH Gold
Posts: 31,789
The only caps at DAL are no flights between 11 pm and 6 am (via voluntary noise curfew) and no international flights. UA is free to fly as many flights as it wants to schedule from its two preferential use gates.
Delta is chomping at the bit to continue serving DAL and increasing its departures despite losing the fight for the AA gates to VX; dunno whether UA will schedule 16-20 flights a day to lock out DL or whether UA will be in an accommodating spirit at DAL.
I haven't counted every UA departure from DFW, but from a cursory glance, it looks like UA has about 30 daily departures from DFW, so a move of its DFW operations would require that UA trim a few flights (no realistic way to get 30 daily departures from two DAL gates).
Delta is chomping at the bit to continue serving DAL and increasing its departures despite losing the fight for the AA gates to VX; dunno whether UA will schedule 16-20 flights a day to lock out DL or whether UA will be in an accommodating spirit at DAL.
I haven't counted every UA departure from DFW, but from a cursory glance, it looks like UA has about 30 daily departures from DFW, so a move of its DFW operations would require that UA trim a few flights (no realistic way to get 30 daily departures from two DAL gates).
Aug 25, 2014, 2:29 pm
#10
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 5,825
The only caps at DAL are no flights between 11 pm and 6 am (via voluntary noise curfew) and no international flights. UA is free to fly as many flights as it wants to schedule from its two preferential use gates.
Delta is chomping at the bit to continue serving DAL and increasing its departures despite losing the fight for the AA gates to VX; dunno whether UA will schedule 16-20 flights a day to lock out DL or whether UA will be in an accommodating spirit at DAL.
I haven't counted every UA departure from DFW, but from a cursory glance, it looks like UA has about 30 daily departures from DFW, so a move of its DFW operations would require that UA trim a few flights (no realistic way to get 30 daily departures from two DAL gates).
Delta is chomping at the bit to continue serving DAL and increasing its departures despite losing the fight for the AA gates to VX; dunno whether UA will schedule 16-20 flights a day to lock out DL or whether UA will be in an accommodating spirit at DAL.
I haven't counted every UA departure from DFW, but from a cursory glance, it looks like UA has about 30 daily departures from DFW, so a move of its DFW operations would require that UA trim a few flights (no realistic way to get 30 daily departures from two DAL gates).
Maybe move some DFW flights to DAL?
Head to head competing with SW and VX may make sense, especially since their new flights are headed straight in to UA's hubs / areas of interest.
Or maybe they let SW take the wind out of VX sails, then attack?
The fact that UA (just like SW) can now launch long distance flights out of DAL is interesting to consider. Lots of bigger RJ's coming on line in the next year.
Aug 25, 2014, 2:45 pm
#11
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: IAH
Programs: UA Premier 1K, Hyatt Platinum, Marriott Gold
Posts: 158
I'd be happy if they just upgraded the service to/from IAH to E75. (mainline would be a dream) Right now, those 50 seaters + the limited schedule make it pointless, and I'd rather fly WN to go into DAL. better planes would at least make UA an option, and competing on schedule would be a bonus.
(DAL is way more convenient when going into downtown Dallas, so I'm really surprised that UA has a more robust schedule going into DFW from IAH. Anyone know the reason for that?)
(DAL is way more convenient when going into downtown Dallas, so I'm really surprised that UA has a more robust schedule going into DFW from IAH. Anyone know the reason for that?)
Aug 25, 2014, 4:06 pm
#12
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 4,187
Aug 25, 2014, 4:15 pm
#14
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: PBI / FLL / YUL
Programs: UA 1K, Delta Plat, AA Plat, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Courtesy Card
Posts: 1,983
Is it really a marginal market? In Dallas traffic, I'd much rather access Turtle Creek, Uptown Dallas and Downtown Dallas from Love Field versus DFW. It seems like there should be a way to properly utilise this market and profit, but maybe the presence of the LCCs is the issue? I don't know.
Aug 25, 2014, 5:58 pm
#15
Moderator Hilton Honors, Travel News, West, The Suggestion Box, Smoking Lounge & DiningBuzz
Join Date: Jun 2000
Programs: Honors Diamond, Hertz Presidents Circle, National Exec Elite
Posts: 36,027