How many more cities will UA leave?
Jun 27, 2014, 12:21 pm
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How many more cities will UA leave?
First you pull out of BKK and now I see you have pulled out of SEA.
So if I don't want to fly ANA and their 787 SEA-NRT where I hate the B/C seat,
I am forced to fly out of SFO.
Why don't you pull out of Asia completely, and let a decent airline have your business?
So if I don't want to fly ANA and their 787 SEA-NRT where I hate the B/C seat,
I am forced to fly out of SFO.
Why don't you pull out of Asia completely, and let a decent airline have your business?
Jun 27, 2014, 12:29 pm
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Jun 27, 2014, 1:33 pm
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actually..
. they've expanded in Asia overall, but just not to where you are flying. They're expanding where their network needs it and shrinking where they have no interest in being (expanding in SFO, shrinking in SEA where they haven't had a large base for years). Delta did the same thing - they dropped SFO-NRT to focus on more flights from SEA. Perhaps you should fly DL if you're based in SEA - they're the quickest route to Asia now from SEA. Why would you go through SFO?
Jun 27, 2014, 2:08 pm
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I highly doubt that they'd leave a major US city altogether unless they had a code share partner heavily serving that route. Seatac is the 15th busiest airport in the country, so they wouldn't just pull service out of the city.
Jun 27, 2014, 5:24 pm
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. they've expanded in Asia overall, but just not to where you are flying. They're expanding where their network needs it and shrinking where they have no interest in being (expanding in SFO, shrinking in SEA where they haven't had a large base for years). Delta did the same thing - they dropped SFO-NRT to focus on more flights from SEA. Perhaps you should fly DL if you're based in SEA - they're the quickest route to Asia now from SEA. Why would you go through SFO?
DL miles are useless the search engine is designed by 3 year olds and their Alliance is a JOKE.
SO UA will continue to hold on to at least some of my travel to BKK ( with ANA)because no one else is competitive with DL or UA on price. I would leave both of them in a heartbeat but when you are using your own money concessions have to be made.
They are my only 2 choices, spending my own money.
Jun 27, 2014, 6:29 pm
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It is hard for United to compete in traditional UA markets (west coast, IAD, DEn, and ORD) due to the lowered service leves since merging with Continental. Travelers in SEA now choose Alaska for better service where United had a great following for years in the PNW. United can compete in places like IAH (this may change with southwest in a few years) and EWR where there is little choice for consumers and they are used to years of substandard service. UNited is not the airline of the west coast anymore and I would expect continued cutbacks in terms of plane sizes, frequency, and routes in SEA.
Jun 27, 2014, 10:53 pm
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I am wondering where it is that they do compete. I am looking at SFO as my POE from Thailand and then need to find travel back and forth to home (atlanta).
UA is a joke in SFO. Their fares are 50% more then DL SFO-ATL non stop and even their worthless connections are 30% more then DL non stops.
Who is running this airline
They continue to make it very hard for me to stay.
UA is a joke in SFO. Their fares are 50% more then DL SFO-ATL non stop and even their worthless connections are 30% more then DL non stops.
Who is running this airline
They continue to make it very hard for me to stay.
Jun 27, 2014, 11:26 pm
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UA has axed the longstanding SEA-NRT and SEA-PDX flights, not pulled out of SEA.
Jun 28, 2014, 12:13 am
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Jun 28, 2014, 2:25 am
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Thanks for suggestions but any of those drive the price way up. I start in BKK and RT B/C tickets to Seattle have been costing me less then $3500.
The minute I try to go to Atlanta on any routing the price goes over $5000
For that amount of money I'll sit in EC between ATL and West Coast at $400
I guess there are too many people using other peoples money that they can fill planes up SFO to ATL at 50% more money then DL. Never mind that DL is a superior hard product.
They would never get another penny from me except even now I think mileage plus is so far superior to my other choices that I am stuck with giving at least some of my business.
The minute I try to go to Atlanta on any routing the price goes over $5000
For that amount of money I'll sit in EC between ATL and West Coast at $400
I guess there are too many people using other peoples money that they can fill planes up SFO to ATL at 50% more money then DL. Never mind that DL is a superior hard product.
They would never get another penny from me except even now I think mileage plus is so far superior to my other choices that I am stuck with giving at least some of my business.
Jun 28, 2014, 8:25 am
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Unfortunately every time I think I will switch all my business to DL , I use the search engine to find award seats and am always pleased with how easy it is to use my miles (currently 800,000) because of the Star Alliance which truly is a Global Alliance.
DL miles are useless the search engine is designed by 3 year olds and their Alliance is a JOKE.
DL miles are useless the search engine is designed by 3 year olds and their Alliance is a JOKE.
1 - fewer CPUs as there are a lot more paid or GPU passengers on these feeding flights
2 - less award availability as capacity is cut
3 - you might be able to get to a *A carrier at the gateways but UA has no award availability to get you to the gateway. For example, even though LAX and SFO has tons of *A availability, PHX-LAX and PHX-SFO are pretty bad
Jun 28, 2014, 8:53 am
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It is hard for United to compete in traditional UA markets (west coast, IAD, DEn, and ORD) due to the lowered service leves since merging with Continental. Travelers in SEA now choose Alaska for better service where United had a great following for years in the PNW. United can compete in places like IAH (this may change with southwest in a few years) and EWR where there is little choice for consumers and they are used to years of substandard service. UNited is not the airline of the west coast anymore and I would expect continued cutbacks in terms of plane sizes, frequency, and routes in SEA.
Jun 28, 2014, 9:11 am
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I am wondering where it is that they do compete. I am looking at SFO as my POE from Thailand and then need to find travel back and forth to home (atlanta).
UA is a joke in SFO. Their fares are 50% more then DL SFO-ATL non stop and even their worthless connections are 30% more then DL non stops.
Who is running this airline
They continue to make it very hard for me to stay.
UA is a joke in SFO. Their fares are 50% more then DL SFO-ATL non stop and even their worthless connections are 30% more then DL non stops.
Who is running this airline
They continue to make it very hard for me to stay.
Jun 28, 2014, 10:17 am
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Wouldn't you think that DL should be charging more since they offer a better product and more frequent trips. Instead the airline that offers the worst product and the least frequent flights is charging up to 50% more.
Sorry I just don't get it.
Granted I only looked for a few different dates most 4 months in advance but either UA is filling the planes with corporate travel at extremely large discounted fares or there are a lot of stupid companies and passengers taking and paying for those flights those flights.
Sorry I just don't get it.
Granted I only looked for a few different dates most 4 months in advance but either UA is filling the planes with corporate travel at extremely large discounted fares or there are a lot of stupid companies and passengers taking and paying for those flights those flights.
Jun 28, 2014, 10:35 am
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Wouldn't you think that DL should be charging more since they offer a better product and more frequent trips. Instead the airline that offers the worst product and the least frequent flights is charging up to 50% more.
Sorry I just don't get it.
Granted I only looked for a few different dates most 4 months in advance but either UA is filling the planes with corporate travel at extremely large discounted fares or there are a lot of stupid companies and passengers taking and paying for those flights those flights.
Sorry I just don't get it.
Granted I only looked for a few different dates most 4 months in advance but either UA is filling the planes with corporate travel at extremely large discounted fares or there are a lot of stupid companies and passengers taking and paying for those flights those flights.
