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eobrousseau May 24, 2014 10:40 am

Star Gold on UA same-day flight change
 
Hey everyone,

I have an evening flight from MSY to LAX, and I wondered if I could jump, without a large change fee, on an earlier flight (which there is) on the same day. I am Star Alliance Gold (Air Canada Elite 50K).
Should I just show up ASAP at the airport? Does *Gold even give that privilege (free/rebate change fee).

Many thanks, my girlfriend will appreciate this :D

mduell May 24, 2014 10:48 am


Originally Posted by eobrousseau (Post 22918323)
I have an evening flight from MSY to LAX, and I wondered if I could jump, without a large change fee, on an earlier flight (which there is) on the same day.

Yes you can - Same Day Change (when space is available in your fare bucket) or standby (if space is not available in your fare bucket) for $75.


Originally Posted by eobrousseau (Post 22918323)
Should I just show up ASAP at the airport?

Either can be done online, over the phone, or at the airport within 24 hours of the flight you want and 24 hours of the flight you're currently on.


Originally Posted by eobrousseau (Post 22918323)
Does *Gold even give that privilege (free/rebate change fee).

*G doesn't get a discount on the discounted $75 same day change/standby fee (normal change fees in your ticket are $200+).

mahasamatman May 24, 2014 10:50 am

Welcome to FT, eobrousseau!


Originally Posted by eobrousseau (Post 22918323)
Does *Gold even give that privilege (free/rebate change fee).

Sorry, but non-UA *G has to pay the SDC/standby fee.

FlyerTom111 May 24, 2014 10:55 am

I think with capacity discipline, UA should offer for FREE the ability to do same day standby for ANYONE on any ticket. I think it would actually save them some money when irrops do occur. If the later flight gets cancelled when you could have put them on an earlier flight or if you can sell the seats on a flight later why not? Why let a plane leave empty? It really seems dumb to me and I think airlines in general are being too shortsighted.

Back before I got status, I wanted to switch to an earlier flight and they wanted to charge me $75. I missed my later flight due to cancellation and got a full refund. UA was out $500 when they could have moved me into an empty seat that left in which they got $0 for.

mahasamatman May 24, 2014 11:00 am


Originally Posted by FlyerTom111 (Post 22918381)
I think with capacity discipline, UA should offer for FREE the ability to do same day standby for ANYONE on any ticket.

Sure, and stores should give their products for free to anyone who asks.

1353513636 May 24, 2014 11:15 am


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 22918406)
Sure, and stores should give their products for free to anyone who asks.

This is different.

a) It is spoiled inventory. Once the door closes, the seats are useless. It's not like products at a store. And, at grocery stores, before a product is about to expire, it is regularly offered free or at a significant discount.
b) This isn't just anyone walking in. This is an elite customer who does lots of flying with UA's partner airlines, and it would be decent to do it for free and would incentivize flying UA, but since UA has no competition, they have no motivation to do that.

mahasamatman May 24, 2014 11:21 am


Originally Posted by 1353513636 (Post 22918466)
Once the door closes, the seats are useless.

Then you must think they should offer it free to anyone, right? Make the walk-up fare $0? If businesses start to do this, nobody would ever pay.


Originally Posted by 1353513636 (Post 22918466)
This isn't just anyone walking in. This is an elite customer who does lots of flying with UA's partner airlines,

I guess you didn't bother to read my post, or more specifically, the post I quoted.

1353513636 May 24, 2014 11:31 am


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 22918480)
Then you must think they should offer it free to anyone, right? Make the walk-up fare $0? If businesses start to do this, nobody would ever pay.


I guess you didn't bother to read my post, or more specifically, the post I quoted.

I did not say the fare should be free, I just said the seats become value-less as soon as the door closes.

And, I'm sure it's subject to debate as to whether or not allowing free SDC to an earlier flight only would help or hurt the airline's bottom line, now that flights seem to be priced more similarly throughout the day and the IRROPs situation.

WineCountryUA May 24, 2014 11:36 am


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 22918356)
.....
Sorry, but non-UA *G has to pay the SDC/standby fee.

There have been postings that some *Gs have received free SDC. Not what the rules state but some have posted of that experience

such as

Originally Posted by gokeeper (Post 20184173)
Non-UA *G, flew SFO-LAS at the end of last month, found I can do free SDC during my OLCI process,
changed my direct flight to SFO-LAX-LAS successfully.
Is this new? Or just for this specified route?


Originally Posted by realgoose (Post 21612343)
My experience today seems to confirm that *G get SDC for free, but nobody at UA seems to understand the details. .....

but would not count on this.

IAH-OIL-TRASH May 24, 2014 11:41 am


Originally Posted by 1353513636 (Post 22918515)
I did not say the fare should be free, I just said the seats become value-less as soon as the door closes.

And, I'm sure it's subject to debate as to whether or not allowing free SDC to an earlier flight only would help or hurt the airline's bottom line, now that flights seem to be priced more similarly throughout the day and the IRROPs situation.

The time spend by agents on free SDCs shouldn't be overlooked. If they were free, a whole lot of people will be asking for them in person at airports or on the phone. Free SDCs should be confined to changes that could be made online IMHO - and that's assuming UA's online capability is conducive.

1353513636 May 24, 2014 11:59 am


Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH (Post 22918549)
The time spend by agents on free SDCs shouldn't be overlooked. If they were free, a whole lot of people will be asking for them in person at airports or on the phone. Free SDCs should be confined to changes that could be made online IMHO - and that's assuming UA's online capability is conducive.

Actually, that's a good idea. Free SDC to an earlier flight only if you do online for anyone. That's if UA wanted to try and be flyer friendly...but obviously they're not...

Often1 May 24, 2014 12:19 pm

UA does offer a no-fee change. It's called fully flexible, generally Y. Absolutely insane for UA to cannibalize it's HVC customer base to keep the deep discounters happier. They bought tickets with change fees. Waiving the fee is nutso, especially for someone with zero demonstrated loyalty.

For the same reason that UA (and other carriers) don't hand out freeloader UG's on international and will send an aircraft out with empty premium seats, they are preserving the brand.

Sure, once in a blue moon someone won't shell out the $75 and his scheduled flight is cancelled. But, that's infintesimal.

FlyerTom111 May 24, 2014 2:49 pm


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 22918406)
Sure, and stores should give their products for free to anyone who asks.

Yes, let's not give away seats which are basically worthless once the door closes. Lets try and charge for it, and when it leaves empty, and then some irrops occur, then I cancel the ticket and get nothing. Yes very smart. You must be one of the geniuses that work at UA.


Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH (Post 22918549)
The time spend by agents on free SDCs shouldn't be overlooked. If they were free, a whole lot of people will be asking for them in person at airports or on the phone. Free SDCs should be confined to changes that could be made online IMHO - and that's assuming UA's online capability is conducive.

Then just do what they've been doing, update the app so that it can handle it. This could be a perk that in the end doesn't really cost UA anything and in fact might free up seats on a later flight which can be sold at a last minute premium price, especially flights which are otherwise full. Might also save them when they run into an oversold situation.

FlyerTom111 May 24, 2014 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 22918676)
UA does offer a no-fee change. It's called fully flexible, generally Y. Absolutely insane for UA to cannibalize it's HVC customer base to keep the deep discounters happier. They bought tickets with change fees. Waiving the fee is nutso, especially for someone with zero demonstrated loyalty.

For the same reason that UA (and other carriers) don't hand out freeloader UG's on international and will send an aircraft out with empty premium seats, they are preserving the brand.

Sure, once in a blue moon someone won't shell out the $75 and his scheduled flight is cancelled. But, that's infintesimal.

As an elite, I get same day standby, but the point I was making is by trying to fill as many seats earlier in the day, it gives UA more flexibility later in the day to recover from irrops, less likely to be in an oversold situation which costs $$$ and ticks people off, and gives them a seat on an otherwise full flight that they can try and resell. How much money does it really save UA by having those seats leave empty? Do they collect enough $75 fees to justify this? I honestly can't imagine many willing to pay the $75.

mduell May 24, 2014 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerTom111 (Post 22919190)
Then just do what they've been doing, update the app so that it can handle it.

The way they've chosen to implement it for self service is a bit convoluted, non-obvious, not not available in all cases where SDC with an agent is.


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