SFO-MSP going RJ?
May 19, 2014, 5:52 pm
#91
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So, in 1,000 flights I will not cancel 950 to 980 times. (100 flights, will not cancel 95 to 98 times)
Granted, it's worse than DL (per your figures), but are these odds a reason to not fly UA?
Also - I imagine with the upgauging (from the smaller RJ's to these Cadillac RJ's), cancellation rates will decrease?
For someone who travels, and travels for work, a 5% not arrive rate (or a 20% arrive late rate) is simply not workable. Yes, I will not book a UX flight if I need to be in SFO or MSP. Delta will get that fare every-time, no matter the price difference.
May 19, 2014, 6:09 pm
#92
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It is amazing compelling when looking at Delta's first class product and United's--what a difference---
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...html#entertain
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...html#entertain
May 19, 2014, 6:12 pm
#93
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It is amazing compelling when looking at Delta's first class product and United's--what a difference---
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...html#entertain
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...html#entertain
May 19, 2014, 6:34 pm
#95
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Anyone that would fly LAX or SFO to MSP on UA on an RJ is a true UA loyalist.
UA - get rid of the "Texas Think Bean Counters" and find someone to run a decent airline.
All of that is marketing material
Even Sun Country provides better options than UA SFO/LAS - MSP.
UA - just fly RJ's domestic. Many UA loyalists will stick with it. It's in their blood. UA can do no wrong.
(And yes I know DL's FF program sucks for some - for me next year will be great).
May 19, 2014, 7:10 pm
#96
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DL's new catering on this route
Thought I'd share a couple of photos from my lunch on DL 2023 (MSP-SFO) the other day. It was my first taste of the Luvo meals...a pretty huge letdown. I'm glad they're trying to do something different, but the food was pretty bland and tasteless (how do you make mole enchiladas this boring??). I did enjoy the Greek yogurt popsicle which was served about an hour before landing rather than at the end of the meal.
May 19, 2014, 7:12 pm
#97
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You can't be serious, sometimes I wonder if you actually fly for work or at all. For someone who travels, and travels for work, a 5% not arrive rate (or a 20% arrive late rate) is simply not workable. Yes, I will not book a UX flight if I need to be in SFO or MSP. Delta will get that fare every-time, no matter the price difference.
For someone who travels, and travels for work, a 5% not arrive rate (or a 20% arrive late rate) is simply not workable. Yes, I will not book a UX flight if I need to be in SFO or MSP. Delta will get that fare every-time, no matter the price difference.
May 19, 2014, 8:22 pm
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It is amazing compelling when looking at Delta's first class product and United's--what a difference---
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...html#entertain
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...html#entertain
I find UA's website, while much less glitzy, considerably more useful and informative.
May 19, 2014, 9:01 pm
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I actually find DL's website very lacking in detail. They put in a few enticing photos, usually of a brand new aircraft, but provide no real details and certainly no guarantee that's the aircraft you will get.
I find UA's website, while much less glitzy, considerably more useful and informative.
I find UA's website, while much less glitzy, considerably more useful and informative.
The reason UA's website is less glitzy - is simple. Unless wearing rose colored glasses - your up ..... creek. Try other carriers and see the difference.
May 19, 2014, 9:01 pm
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What else are you looking for in the booking process? It's certainly more than we get with UA. UA doesn't tell us it's a WiFi plane or has power when we're booking.
May 19, 2014, 9:06 pm
#102
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The amenity icons are very useful on DL for figuring out what you'll have. Expanding out the Details will tell you aircraft type and such.
What else are you looking for in the booking process? It's certainly more than we get with UA. UA doesn't tell us it's a WiFi plane or has power when we're booking.
What else are you looking for in the booking process? It's certainly more than we get with UA. UA doesn't tell us it's a WiFi plane or has power when we're booking.
What an enhancement!
(Or did I just notice this?)
May 19, 2014, 9:29 pm
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The amenity icons are very useful on DL for figuring out what you'll have. Expanding out the Details will tell you aircraft type and such.
What else are you looking for in the booking process? It's certainly more than we get with UA. UA doesn't tell us it's a WiFi plane or has power when we're booking.
What else are you looking for in the booking process? It's certainly more than we get with UA. UA doesn't tell us it's a WiFi plane or has power when we're booking.
But there is less general information about DL's aircraft and classes of service on their website. Just as an example, they're quite vague about hard product on the transcons (which I guess is understandable given the variations, but it's quite different from the detail UA provides on ps service).
May 19, 2014, 9:32 pm
#104
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Not sure where people are getting the 5% CX rate. SFO-AUS is another fairly long distance route with RJs and the CX rate for SkyWest (who operates United's SFO-AUS flights) at AUS in 2014 was 0.86%, not entirely far off from from the 0.67% average CX rate across all airlines. That's 30% more CX, but statistically you'd have to fly into AUS 150 times via SkyWest to even tell the difference, ignoring any route variance.
United's mainline CX rate at MSP is 1.61%, and SkyWest's (who is going to operate these flights) is 2.4%. That's a pretty big difference, but still far from 5%, and the existing 1.61% CX rate is nothing to be proud of. That said, "true" regional MSP flights are much more likely to land or take-off from ill-equipped regional airports that have a tougher time dealing with the northern winters, where-as "true" regional flights in/out of an airport like IAH, which has a 1.56% SkyWest CX rate, is not going to see much of that same effect. For just the fair-weather months (May-Sep), the SkyWest CX rate is 1.16% at MSP and 1.39% at IAH.
It would be interesting to extract specific data on CX rate for medium-haul RJ route pairs, preferably one with a north-south pairing to get a better idea of what an SFO-MSP route might actually look like CX-wise. The BTS has all the raw data, but it's a pain in the butt to extract, so that exercise is for a more motivated soul.
Source: http://www.transtats.bts.gov/ot_dela...ause1.asp?pn=1
United's mainline CX rate at MSP is 1.61%, and SkyWest's (who is going to operate these flights) is 2.4%. That's a pretty big difference, but still far from 5%, and the existing 1.61% CX rate is nothing to be proud of. That said, "true" regional MSP flights are much more likely to land or take-off from ill-equipped regional airports that have a tougher time dealing with the northern winters, where-as "true" regional flights in/out of an airport like IAH, which has a 1.56% SkyWest CX rate, is not going to see much of that same effect. For just the fair-weather months (May-Sep), the SkyWest CX rate is 1.16% at MSP and 1.39% at IAH.
It would be interesting to extract specific data on CX rate for medium-haul RJ route pairs, preferably one with a north-south pairing to get a better idea of what an SFO-MSP route might actually look like CX-wise. The BTS has all the raw data, but it's a pain in the butt to extract, so that exercise is for a more motivated soul.
Source: http://www.transtats.bts.gov/ot_dela...ause1.asp?pn=1
May 19, 2014, 9:45 pm
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