non-rev trumps 1k?
Mar 22, 2014, 7:32 pm
#91
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Not unusual for folks to post multiple days after an event.
Mar 22, 2014, 7:49 pm
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I know many airline employees at many carriers and they say air travel is not like it was in the 1970's and 80's (I agree). Many say they would rather serve a kettle than an over entitled elite.
Most of these "elite" passengers do not buy their own tickets, their employer does. In my case - I am the employer, so I buy my own tickets.
If there is an empty seat, give it to the airline employee, they earned it.
Mar 22, 2014, 8:07 pm
#93
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My compensation package includes both pay and benefits. One of those benefits, which I purchase through lower wages, is the ability to fly in seats that would otherwise go empty. I don't begrudge you your compensation package, don't begrudge me mine.
Mar 22, 2014, 8:38 pm
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Printed on the sides of their planes are the words, "UNITED AIRLINES".
Printed at the top of the employees pay checks are the words, "UNITED AIRLINES"!
NOWHERE, is it written that any FTer, passenger, or jealous wanna-bee has the power to determine who rides for less than anyone else does. United has the right to determine who they want to put in any seat on THEIR airplanes, and how much they want to charge them for that particular seat.
Fortunately, UA subscribes to the "Golden Rule", and that would be, he who has the Gold (planes) makes the rules!
Printed at the top of the employees pay checks are the words, "UNITED AIRLINES"!
NOWHERE, is it written that any FTer, passenger, or jealous wanna-bee has the power to determine who rides for less than anyone else does. United has the right to determine who they want to put in any seat on THEIR airplanes, and how much they want to charge them for that particular seat.
Fortunately, UA subscribes to the "Golden Rule", and that would be, he who has the Gold (planes) makes the rules!
Mar 22, 2014, 8:41 pm
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We do, every time we get paid.
My compensation package includes both pay and benefits. One of those benefits, which I purchase through lower wages, is the ability to fly in seats that would otherwise go empty. I don't begrudge you your compensation package, don't begrudge me mine.
My compensation package includes both pay and benefits. One of those benefits, which I purchase through lower wages, is the ability to fly in seats that would otherwise go empty. I don't begrudge you your compensation package, don't begrudge me mine.
You do remember that these are your customers, right?
Mar 22, 2014, 8:43 pm
#96
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There are those who claim they don't. Those people are wrong, because the world could not possible work the way that they fantasize it to work.
I don't think anyone begrudges you your benefits - I just don't think everyone agrees it should be in first class or business class when others who spend thousands of dollars a year with your company (so you can have a job) can't upgrade.....
You do remember that these are your customers, right?
You do remember that these are your customers, right?
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Mar 22, 2014, 9:00 pm
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If there are empty seats then fine let them have them I support that 100% - but to disadvantage one of your customers to do it is wrong to me.
Mar 22, 2014, 9:10 pm
#98
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Never said it meant anything like that at all - I just think there are many people who don't think that an employee should bump a paying customer - if that makes my opinion "unbelievably silly" fine.
If there are empty seats then fine let them have them I support that 100% - but to disadvantage one of your customers to do it is wrong to me.
If there are empty seats then fine let them have them I support that 100% - but to disadvantage one of your customers to do it is wrong to me.
You are totally mistaken.
ALL upgrades for paying passengers clear before a non-rev gets that seat. There may be an exception for international, but again that is up to each individual airline and if a pax doesn't like the rules, the simple answer is to buy a F/C ticket, and bounce the over entitled employee back to where he belongs.
Mar 22, 2014, 9:40 pm
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What disadvantage?
You are totally mistaken.
ALL upgrades for paying passengers clear before a non-rev gets that seat. There may be an exception for international, but again that is up to each individual airline and if a pax doesn't like the rules, the simple answer is to buy a F/C ticket, and bounce the over entitled employee back to where he belongs.
You are totally mistaken.
ALL upgrades for paying passengers clear before a non-rev gets that seat. There may be an exception for international, but again that is up to each individual airline and if a pax doesn't like the rules, the simple answer is to buy a F/C ticket, and bounce the over entitled employee back to where he belongs.
Mar 22, 2014, 9:42 pm
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What's unbelievably silly is that you write that no one is begrudging employees well deserved benefits...and then proceed to write about how you understand people begrudging their benefits.
Mar 22, 2014, 10:30 pm
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I don't think anyone begrudges you your benefits - I just don't think everyone agrees it should be in first class or business class when others who spend thousands of dollars a year with your company (so you can have a job) can't upgrade.....
You do remember that these are your customers, right?
You do remember that these are your customers, right?
The GA's should follow every rule and upgrade every passenger that is willing to support that upgrade in some form, miles, money, etc... Then, and only then, for seats that would otherwise go empty do employees get a chance to sit in them.
How much clear do you need this comment to be?
Mar 22, 2014, 10:31 pm
#102
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Well then you really ought to be writing to UA c/s and making a complaint in between periods!
Mar 22, 2014, 10:33 pm
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What disadvantage?
You are totally mistaken.
ALL upgrades for paying passengers clear before a non-rev gets that seat. There may be an exception for international, but again that is up to each individual airline and if a pax doesn't like the rules, the simple answer is to buy a F/C ticket, and bounce the over entitled employee back to where he belongs.
You are totally mistaken.
ALL upgrades for paying passengers clear before a non-rev gets that seat. There may be an exception for international, but again that is up to each individual airline and if a pax doesn't like the rules, the simple answer is to buy a F/C ticket, and bounce the over entitled employee back to where he belongs.
As someone who has spent DAYS trying to get home, hoping for any seat on an airplane I can tell you that the concept of employees riding before revenue passengers is silly.
Mar 22, 2014, 10:42 pm
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Don't confuse em with facts!
It's ALL Me, Me, Me!!!
Mar 22, 2014, 11:12 pm
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Did you actually read my post? I specifically Bolded and Underlined the section that addresses your last comment. Did you miss it?
The GA's should follow every rule and upgrade every passenger that is willing to support that upgrade in some form, miles, money, etc... Then, and only then, for seats that would otherwise go empty do employees get a chance to sit in them.
How much clear do you need this comment to be?
The GA's should follow every rule and upgrade every passenger that is willing to support that upgrade in some form, miles, money, etc... Then, and only then, for seats that would otherwise go empty do employees get a chance to sit in them.
How much clear do you need this comment to be?