Full Y Fares Upgrade Booking Code Becomes PN + Are Now Subject to Capacity Controls
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Was booked IAHDENIAD two weeks out in full Y waiting for travel office to ticket. Finally was ticketed but at 72 hours out only IAHDEN had PN available and DENIAD only had 3 F seats left. Yesterday I just happen to pull up my reservation and PN opened up PN=1 and immediately snagged it. What I was wondering though is if I hadn't been proactive I assume that I would have probably been stuck in the back. CPU runs at the windows to clear into R but if PN opens up before the windows do you have to manually watch it and your left on your own to process the upgrade? In theory what could have happened is I could have lost out to someone with higher status clearing at their window or whenever CPU runs?
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Was booked IAHDENIAD two weeks out in full Y waiting for travel office to ticket. Finally was ticketed but at 72 hours out only IAHDEN had PN available and DENIAD only had 3 F seats left. Yesterday I just happen to pull up my reservation and PN opened up PN=1 and immediately snagged it. What I was wondering though is if I hadn't been proactive I assume that I would have probably been stuck in the back. CPU runs at the windows to clear into R but if PN opens up before the windows do you have to manually watch it and your left on your own to process the upgrade? In theory what could have happened is I could have lost out to someone with higher status clearing at their window or whenever CPU runs?
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Was booked IAHDENIAD two weeks out in full Y waiting for travel office to ticket. Finally was ticketed but at 72 hours out only IAHDEN had PN available and DENIAD only had 3 F seats left. Yesterday I just happen to pull up my reservation and PN opened up PN=1 and immediately snagged it. What I was wondering though is if I hadn't been proactive I assume that I would have probably been stuck in the back. CPU runs at the windows to clear into R but if PN opens up before the windows do you have to manually watch it and your left on your own to process the upgrade? In theory what could have happened is I could have lost out to someone with higher status clearing at their window or whenever CPU runs?
However they should be a part of the gate upgrade process.
BTW "IAHDENIAD" is very hard to read, spaces, hyphens, colons, .... between cities improve readability
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It seems pretty silly for every Y ticket to automatically upgrade into F seat, even the last available one. If Y is going to book into F, why not just make it an F fare? If it used to work otherwise then this seems like a logical change. The cheapest F fare is usually going to be less than Y, anyway. Seems like the only people unhappy with this are going to be those who have someone else paying for their tickets who will pay any amount for Y but won't pay for F even if cheaper.
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It seems pretty silly for every Y ticket to automatically upgrade into F seat, even the last available one. If Y is going to book into F, why not just make it an F fare? If it used to work otherwise then this seems like a logical change. The cheapest F fare is usually going to be less than Y, anyway. Seems like the only people unhappy with this are going to be those who have someone else paying for their tickets who will pay any amount for Y but won't pay for F even if cheaper.
Another thing to consider is that F rarely is oversold so by selling it as a Y fare into an overbooked Y cabin, they typically can accommodate into the original booking cabin in the case that F becomes overbooked. The full Y upgrade scenario is an incentive for Elite or business travelers to buy the more expensive fare with fewer or no restrictions and still stay within corporate policy that requires Y travel.
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In other words, a way for corporate travelers to cheat their employers, right? No one ever made a policy "You can fly in economy but not first" with the intention that that would authorize their employees to buy a ticket that claims to be an economy fare but costs as much as first class and gives them a first-class seat.
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In other words, a way for corporate travelers to cheat their employers, right? No one ever made a policy "You can fly in economy but not first" with the intention that that would authorize their employees to buy a ticket that claims to be an economy fare but costs as much as first class and gives them a first-class seat.
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If they both upgrade into PN, then B is always going to be cheaper than Y. And booking in F is usually cheaper. E.g., EWR-SFO (a few weeks ahead, so all buckets available) is $1625 in Y, $1424 in refundable P, $1027-1077 in refundable B, $795-845 in refundable M. Of these options for getting a F seat, Y doesn't look like the winner. There may be very rare times when booking in Y to get an F seat is the best option, but most of the time it's an inferior option whose sole advantage is that it 'looks like' economy to the employer or reimburser.
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If they both upgrade into PN, then B is always going to be cheaper than Y. And booking in F is usually cheaper. E.g., EWR-SFO (a few weeks ahead, so all buckets available) is $1625 in Y, $1424 in refundable P, $1027-1077 in refundable B, $795-845 in refundable M. Of these options for getting a F seat, Y doesn't look like the winner. There may be very rare times when booking in Y to get an F seat is the best option, but most of the time it's an inferior option whose sole advantage is that it 'looks like' economy to the employer or reimburser.
$280 in T
$500 in P
$700 in M
$900 in B
$1100 in Y
$1300 in F
It's no brainer to take P.
I'll save my RPUs on BOS/EWR/JFK-SFO/LAX.
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In other words, a way for corporate travelers to cheat their employers, right? No one ever made a policy "You can fly in economy but not first" with the intention that that would authorize their employees to buy a ticket that claims to be an economy fare but costs as much as first class and gives them a first-class seat.
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How is booking a Y fare more 'flexible' than booking B or M or any other refundable fare, including a fully refundable P fare that gets you a first-class seat? This doesn't make any sense to me, but I could be missing something.
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If they both upgrade into PN, then B is always going to be cheaper than Y. And booking in F is usually cheaper. E.g., EWR-SFO (a few weeks ahead, so all buckets available) is $1625 in Y, $1424 in refundable P, $1027-1077 in refundable B, $795-845 in refundable M. Of these options for getting a F seat, Y doesn't look like the winner. There may be very rare times when booking in Y to get an F seat is the best option, but most of the time it's an inferior option whose sole advantage is that it 'looks like' economy to the employer or reimburser.
That said, it's disappointing that they made this change without clearly communicating it anywhere...
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That's interesting. Is that what they call "PassPlus", or something individually negotiated? I can see how that could happen if the discounts are big enough.