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Full Y Fares Upgrade Booking Code Becomes PN + Are Now Subject to Capacity Controls

Full Y Fares Upgrade Booking Code Becomes PN + Are Now Subject to Capacity Controls

Old Feb 27, 14, 9:21 am
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Originally Posted by eng3 View Post
I must have been previously mistaken. I thought that it was always under capacity controls. UA could set JN (or PN) inventory to whatever they want
J/JN also tracked to last seat available. So, in essence, if there were no seats available then an instant upgrade wasn't available so in a broad sense YES they were capacity controlled but that didn't often happen unless you bought very last minute, if that makes sense.
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Old Feb 27, 14, 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Smart View Post
Yeah, we need a clarification- are we talking about Y-UP fares where you get First for the price of a Y seat, or Premier Instant Upgrade fares, where Premiers upgrade Y-to-JN or B/M-to-PN at time of ticketing?
Huh? The definition of any upgrade is getting First "for the price of a Y seat."

There's no lack of clarity in this thread. The issue since the very first post has been Y/B/M instant upgrades, not Y-UP fares.

The point is that Y no longer books into JN, but into PN, which is capacity controlled. UP fares don't book into either of these, they book into a true F or J fare class (F, A, J, C, D, Z, or P).
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Old Feb 27, 14, 10:03 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee View Post
Huh? The definition of any upgrade is getting First "for the price of a Y seat."

There's no lack of clarity in this thread. The issue since the very first post has been Y/B/M instant upgrades, not Y-UP fares.

The point is that Y no longer books into JN, but into PN, which is capacity controlled. UP fares don't book into either of these, they book into a true F or J fare class (F, A, J, C, D, Z, or P).
Okay, sorry, it wasn't clear TO ME, since the first 2 posts both mentioned "-up" fares. It is now.
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Old Feb 27, 14, 10:22 am
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Originally Posted by MD/DC Flyer View Post
While I have not flown on YCA for quite a while, at least pre-merger, the YCA were NOT eligible for upgrade just because they were Y fare (in those olden days it always required upgrade instrument). I am not sure how they were handled post merger, but my guess that the thought that government fare YCA get immediate upgrade is more a myth than truth.
They did work under this program . . . if you were ticketed far enough out to take advantage of it. Typically agencies will ticket only about 72 hours out, unless you make a special request. As a result, often many of the F seats are taken, including those for Y-ups for others (which is what happened to me the last time I managed to fly on such a ticket).
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Old Feb 27, 14, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee View Post
H... UP fares don't book into either of these, they book into a true F or J fare class (F, A, J, C, D, Z, or P).
I thought there were stories of people getting bumped back to economy on -UP fares because they actually not true FC/BC fares or don't REALLY book you into FC/BC the way that buying, say, an "F" fare would. The "fare rule bucket" for my P tickets is usually V, for example.

Guess I'm confused, as usual.
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Old Feb 27, 14, 11:33 am
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Smart View Post
Glad you're happy. Except now you'll have to find someone ELSE to blame when your upgrade still doesn't clear.
Mine always clear...does not impact me personally.
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Old Mar 1, 14, 12:07 pm
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I was ticketed on CM for a full Y fare because I was hoping for an instant upgrade. Copa flights are almost always higher than UA, and this was the case here as well.

I then learned that CM Y translates only to B on UA. After an hour on hold with UA outsourced service, the (unprounceable name) agent had no idea what I was talking about, "instant upgrade". I had to direct her to the webpage. After stating that the upgrade would be automatically processed by CM (which I sincerely doubted), she then at my insistence escalated to a supervisor, who said that CM would have to process the change manually. Having never found a CM agent that knew anything about instant upgrades, I asked the super what exact change was needed. I was told that the fare code had to be changed to PN. After another long wait for CM I learned that they do not even have this code in their system let alone the ability to change to it. SO, yet another run-around!

Anyway, when I found the PN availability on UA.com there were no PN's, but 3 JN's. So whatever they are (JN's), they still exist. It is also possible to book in F on both legs of the flight, and to get award upgrades and award tickets, and there are 9 and 8 FC seats respectively.

Any suggestions? Thanks!
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Old Mar 1, 14, 12:12 pm
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Originally Posted by MD/DC Flyer View Post
I am not sure how they were handled post merger, but my guess that the thought that government fare YCA get immediate upgrade is more a myth than truth.
I was lucky enough to get a few YCA instant upgrades, but the days of all government YCA tickets being issued as full fare Y are long gone. I flew to Mexico City in January on a reimbursable government fare, and it posted as a W fare.
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Old Mar 1, 14, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by halls120 View Post
I was lucky enough to get a few YCA instant upgrades, but the days of all government YCA tickets being issued as full fare Y are long gone. I flew to Mexico City in January on a reimbursable government fare, and it posted as a W fare.
Aren't these the *CA (usually VCA) fares? IIRC, there are two flavors of government-negotiated fares; VCA usually books into V or similar, is capacity-controlled, and is cheaper. YCA books into Y, is not capacity-controlled, and is usually about 2x as much as VCA. Both are refundable.

Usually when my ticket is purchased by an agency, I get VCA, but on a couple of occasions I've worked with agencies whose policy is YCA, and I've gotten the instant upgrade to JN upon request.
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Old Mar 1, 14, 2:07 pm
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Originally Posted by QBK View Post
Aren't these the *CA (usually VCA) fares? IIRC, there are two flavors of government-negotiated fares; VCA usually books into V or similar, is capacity-controlled, and is cheaper. YCA books into Y, is not capacity-controlled, and is usually about 2x as much as VCA. Both are refundable.
My last flight was a -DG fare, which was the same $$ as the YCA fare. And YCA isn't always 2x as much as CA. For example, the YCA fare on DCA-SFO is 536, and the CA fare is 420.
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Old Mar 1, 14, 2:30 pm
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Y instant to PN bucket recently

Yes, I have seen more Y instant upgrades to PN bucket recently, instead of JN bucket. When I try to get the upgrade through web, I can sometimes get one or two segments cleared. If there are FC seats available, I can get cleared if I call to get the upgrades for the remaining segment(s). My guess that that PN bucket is capability-controlled by SHARES. But CS agent has no trouble to upgrade Y tickets if there are F seats for sale. Sometimes, he/she needs to get to supervisor (more waiting time).

halls120 and QBK gave the correct observations. But YCA, VCA and DG fares are dependent upon city pairs. It has nothing to do with different government agencies. If a city pair YCA fare (IAD-SFO) is offered by a competitor, UA can offer DG (government discount) fare for this city pair. This is why the DG fare is identical to (or lower than) YCA fare. One cannot get Y instant upgrade with DG fare at UA. Hope that my explanation helps. Good travels.
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Old Mar 1, 14, 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by halls120 View Post
I was lucky enough to get a few YCA instant upgrades, but the days of all government YCA tickets being issued as full fare Y are long gone. I flew to Mexico City in January on a reimbursable government fare, and it posted as a W fare.
One does need to keep in mind that each fiscal year there are markets (often changing each year) where GSA signs _only_ a YCA fare, and no _CA fare is contracted for that particular city pair.
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Old Mar 1, 14, 4:05 pm
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Full Y Fares Upgrade Booking Code Becomes PN + Are Now Subject to Capacity Controls

LGA-OKC has only YCA. I'll be doing this one a couple of times this spring. I have reservations but I don't think they actually ticket until a couple days before travel. As of now my UA res shows Y fare buckets, but I guess l'll see when it actually goes through

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Old Mar 1, 14, 8:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Bonehead View Post
I thought there were stories of people getting bumped back to economy on -UP fares because they actually not true FC/BC fares or don't REALLY book you into FC/BC the way that buying, say, an "F" fare would. The "fare rule bucket" for my P tickets is usually V, for example.

Guess I'm confused, as usual.
You're confusing fare basis with booking code. It's understandable, this stuff is complicated. Y fare basis used to book into JN, now it books into PN, which is capacity controlled. The UPs are economy fare basis, but book into a business or first fare class (F, A, J, C, D, Z, or P).

Originally Posted by landrew View Post
I was ticketed on CM for a full Y fare because I was hoping for an instant upgrade.

* * * *

Any suggestions? Thanks!
Are you on UA or CM metal?

In my experience, CM will sell fares labelled as "instant upgrade," but this is more or less meaningless, as they will process only as a CPU, i.e., at T-24 or at the gate.
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Old Mar 2, 14, 7:20 pm
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mh3265a - thanks for pointing out this change! ^

I frequently book last minute Y/B/M fares and had no idea about this change to full-fare instant upgrades. One flight I was looking at next week was 75% empty in F (albeit a A319, but showing F6 and only 2 occupied F seats) yet didn't have any PN inventory. To be fair, JN never matched F perfectly (sometimes I've seen F1 JN0) but this change is certainly going to drive even more of my business away from UA.

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