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Types of Upgrades

UA's Upgrades overview

UA has multiple methods for upgrading to a higher cabin. Examples include: Economy to Domestic First, Economy to International Business or Business (ex-p.s. flights) or Economy to Premium Economy ("Premium Plus").

In this regard, seating in Economy Plus is considered Economy.

Not all upgrade methods are available on all flights (see table).
  • Complimentary Premier Upgrades (CPU) are available for most North American flights, Central America flights, and some select Oceania flights. "ex-PS" flights (EWR/JFK-SFO/LAX) and Hawaii-EWR, IAD, ORD, IAH, DEN, GUM, MAJ and v.v. are not CPU eligible. CPUs are available for all paid fares and in some cases on award tickets with certain credit cards. A CPU is requested automatically for all elites as long as there is a maximum of one non-Premier as only one companion on the same PNR is also eligible for CPU. CPUs cannot be confirmed until inside the particular window:
Global Services: 120 hours
Premier 1K: 96 hours
Premier Platinum: 72 hours
Premier Gold: 48 hours
Premier Silver: 24 hours
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  • Plus Points (provided to Plats and above) are the upgrade currency of United elites. This wiki of this thread has more details about pricing of various Plus Points upgrades.
  • Mileage Upgrade Awards (MUA) can be requested for all UA flights with a higher cabin on all paid fares. This a varying amount of miles and a $ copay (elites are exempt from the co-pay for CPU eligible flights) -- mileage+copay calculator
    Note the miles and copay are due at time of the request and will be returned if unsuccessful.
  • Instant Upgrades are space available for all elites on Y & B fares for CPU-eligible flights at booking or thereafter. For Platinum and below these require PZ space. For 1Ks and GS, this can be done on Y, B & M fares and requires PN space. These Instant Upgrades, if not cleared at booking, cannot be waitlisted and one must keep checking to see if the instant upgrade space opens up. However, CPUs will process, as discussed above.
  • Paid/cash upgrades are a different mechanism and are only available if confirmable -- no waitlisting. Depending on methods, paid upgrades can clear into almost any fare class. If the class would otherwise be used for upgrades, the cash upsell can show up on the cleared upgrade list.
Plus Points and MUA (also called "miles+cash upgrades") are collectively referred to as instrument-supported upgrades, as they are considered with equal priority once applied. They may also be used on Copa (CM), Lufthansa (LH), and ANA (NH) flights.
Waitlisting for a premium cabin award and all forms of Economy Plus are not considered upgrades.


Upgrade Priority and Required Inventory

All upgrades other than CPU may clear immediately if the required inventory class is available. If you request an upgrade when there is not inventory to confirm your upgrade immediately, you will be added to the upgrade waitlist. The required inventory classes are as follows:

RN class is required for all upgrades to Premium Economy (United Premium Plus)
PN class is required for Instant Upgrades to Business/First from Y, B, and M fares for Premier 1K members, and for all upgrades to Business/First of any type for Global Services members.
PZ class is required for all other upgrades to Business/First except CPUs.

Note: The display of the upgrade lists is rather complicated at the moment. There seems to be more information available than usual, but its accuracy is disputed. The following is how it has historically functioned in terms of public visibility.

Passengers with unconfirmed upgrade requests will be added to the upgrade waitlist. This is not the same as the upgrade standby list which you can see on the Flight Status page. You cannot see this list by any means. The ordering of the upgrade waitlist is as follows:
Fare Class priority is J, C, D, Z, P, O, A, R, Y, B, M, E, U, H, Q, V, W, S, T, L, K, G, N.

Waitlist priority for all flights
  • United Global Services® requests
  • PlusPoints upgrades and MileagePlus Upgrade Awards
  • Premier status of the traveler*
  • Fare class
  • Chase United MileagePlus Club cardholders and Presidential Plus cardholders
  • United Corporate Preferred participants
  • United Chase Cardmembers with $25,000 in annual spending
  • Date and time of request



If we haven't confirmed your upgrade by the time you check in for your flight, you will be added to the Upgrades list at check-in, so there's nothing that you need to do after submitting your original request. Our upgrade systems process requests until three hours before flight departure, at which point our gate agents will handle all remaining upgrade requests.

*On flights equipped with United Premium Plus, we will process requests to upgrade to business class for customers ticketed in United Premium Plus (fare classes O, A, R) before processing requests for customers ticketed in economy.

Upgrade priority on United Premium Plus
On aircraft with United Premium Plus, we’ll first process United Polaris business class or United Business waitlists for all members who have purchased United Premium Plus seats, using the same priority order that applies to all upgrades. We’ll then process waitlists for members with United Economy seats.

New waitlist requests for MileagePlus Upgrade Awards can be made until 24 hours before departure. New waitlist requests for PlusPoints upgrades can be made up until the flight check-in cutoff time.

United will periodically run sweeps from this list. The required inventory class for your upgrade does not need to be available in order to be upgraded from the standby list; passengers on the list will be upgraded at the discretion of United's systems. (You can also think of it as space was opened and then you immediately took it.)

For flights with Premium Plus, those with paid Premium Plus fares will be prioritized above those with paid economy fares even if status is lower. However, GS with paid economy are higher on the list than non-GS customers with paid Premium Plus fares. Therefore, GS with paid Prem Plus, then GS with paid economy, then other Prem Plus pax (1Ks, then Plat, then Gold, etc), then Economy (1Ks, then Plat, then Gold, etc). Not clear if this applies to GS in economy -- certainly not pre-gate waitlist (as they are waitlisted for PN) but unclear what happens at the gate merged waitlist.
How does PlusPoints/GPU/ Mileage Upgrade waitlist for business work with PremiumPlus?

Once check-in starts a new waitlist will be generated for use at the gate. The pre-gate list will continue to process until the flight goes to the gate, typically one to three hours prior to departure. This new list is the visible one on the Flight Status page. Generally they will have the same order, but there can be some differences in priority ordering of the two lists -- usually due to the time tiebreaker -- which is time of request for the pre-gate list and time of check-in (sequence number) for gate list. The visible (upgrade standby) list is not used until the flight is under gate control and the gate agent manually processes an upgrade.

The upgrade list sometimes also shows passengers who have been upgraded. Advance-cleared upgrades will not show on the gate list as cleared -- only passengers who clear after they check in will display with a green checkmark. Some paid Premium Plus fares may show as a confirmed upgrade to Premium Plus.

For both cases, display cleared upgrades will appear in alphabetic order and regardless if checked-in (as long as a seat has been assigned). Uncleared, waitlisted requests will appear in priority order.

Upgrades and Companions
Main article: Comprehensive Companion Upgrade Questions

The following applies ONLY to the invisible upgrade list.

Up to one companion on the same PNR as you is entitled to a CPU based on your status. However, because PNRs must consist only of passengers with the same itinerary, you will only be eligible for an upgrade if all passengers on your PNR have the same upgrade eligibility. For CPUs, you may extend your CPU status to one companion, and then the system will take the status of the lowest passenger on the reservation.

This is a little complicated. Here are some example PNRs:

1K and non-status companion: both are eligible to CPU as 1Ks
1K and two non-status companions: no one is eligible to CPU
1K, Gold, and non-status companion: the companion gets "1K CPU status" but the Gold cannot, so all three pax have Gold priority

The situation for instrument supported upgrades is slightly different. Waitlisting an instrument is also all-or-nothing on the PNR. Either all pax must have a waitlisted upgrade, or none may. If you have a waitlisted upgrade for a multiple passenger PNR, it will have the priority of the highest Premier status on the reservation. Thus:

1K and non-status companion, 2x PlusPoints applied: both are eligible as 1Ks with PlusPoints
1K and three non-status companions, 4x PlusPointsapplied: all four are eligible as 1Ks with PlusPoints

Multi-pax PNR upgrades are all or nothing - you may (or may not) be skipped over if there are fewer available seats than members in your party. If you do not like the treatment of your PNR, you may split it into smaller pieces at any time and be treated as smaller groups or individuals.


Now, what happens if you haven't cleared by check-in?

Multiple pax PNRs are not eligible for the (visible) upgrade standby list. If you wish to be added to the list, you must split the PNR at check-in. This often happens even if you didn't intend to. Note, however, that the hidden list is active until 3 hours before departure and splitting your PNR changes it. Therefore, you may wish to delay check-in until the airport. On the other hand, the tiebreak for the gate list is time of check-in, so you may wish to do so immediately. It depends on your situation.

Companions may be eligible for the upgrade standby list even after splitting the PNR, if it is split at check-in. The behavior of your companion(s) depends on whether the reservation had instruments applied. You may have one CPU companion, who will be waitlisted with your Premier priority but with an effective fare class below X (namely, last). If your companion was on a different PNR originally, or you want to designate a different companion, an airport agent can do that for you. Therefore, the list of 1Ks might be:

1) 1K on an S fare (you)
2) 1K on a K fare
3) Your no-status companion
4) Plat on a B fare

If your reservation had instruments applied, however, this process is different. In this case, if the reservation is auto-split at check-in, all travelers will have your Premier priority with their fare class. Say you are a 1K with three non-status companions, all with GPUs applied. Then you have

1) 1K on a V fare,PlusPoints applied
2..5) you (1K) and your three companions on W fares, ordered by sequence number
6) Plat on a Q fare, miles+cash applied


Frequently Asked Questions

I was #1 on the upgrade list, but someone else got the upgrade instead. What happened?
The most likely answer is that a higher status passenger or fare moved to your flight.

I'm #1 on the upgrade list but seats in the forward cabin keep disappearing. No one is being upgraded. What's going on?
There are two major sources of this. First, once your flight is within 24 hours of departure, it is eligible for SDC. Passengers with paid premium tickets can change to your flight and take seats. Many experienced flyers, especially FT members, underestimate the volatility of flight loads on the day of departure. Additionally, United usually makes a time-of-departure upsell offer available at check-in. Purchasers of this upgrade may often appear similar to last-minute revenue bookings.

I was waitlisted for I (or IN) class and did not clear. Am I now eligible for an upgrade?
"Upgrade" is the wrong terminology. You should be automatically placed on the standy list for business or first (whichever applies). Historically there have been problems with this occurring automatically, but that seems to have mostly been fixed. The exact priority compared to passengers who are waitlisted for an upgrade is unclear and a matter of some dispute. See discussion of GG ONESTANDBY lines 32-55.

Who are these people who are on standby lists for both Business and First?
These are non-revs (i.e., UA employees and family members) - either NRPS (non-rev positive space) or NRSA (non-rev standby). Non-revs can list for any cabin. NRPS are traveling on company business (e.g., deadheading pilots) and will clear into open space ahead of upgraders. NRSA travel standby and will be last in priority after all paid passengers. Why would someone be listed on both standby & upgrade list(s)?
Originally Posted by leftysauce
I want to note the distinction that this only applies to NRPS that book the specific cabin directly (eg. if NRPS are eligible for J, they will clear into J immediately if any J seat is available). Otherwise, if NRPS book a lower cabin, they will be waitlisted after all paid (cash+award) pax but before NRSA for upgrades to higher cabins.
Deadheading Pilots Will Have Upgrade Priority Over Elites
Can you have one companion on a different PNR?
Yes, but only at the airport/gate and some agents are not familiar with the process. They are at the bottom of your status group.

Related threads
Ever see (+X blocked) in booked column on upgrade list?
Consolidated "Waitlist for Award Seats Questions/Issues"
[Consolidated] Chance of upgrade clearing on my flight
Decoding the alphabet soup - fare buckets for UA

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Old Jul 14, 2023, 9:32 am
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Originally Posted by Kiewittravel
Just two quick responses. Again I hope this thread will prove to be helpful for others
1. I know that economy passengers got upgraded all the way to Polaris ahead of me. I have screenshots of the same four names being 1 - 4 for upgrade to Premium Plus and simultaneously 1 - 4 on the upgrade list to Polaris. This is the way the list was published three days ahead of time. They were upgraded to Premium Plus 24 hours before the flight and to Polaris a couple hours before the flight. I can only assume they are GS b/c how else would they be able to jump ahead of everyone all the way from economy to Polaris (also the agent told me they were GS, but as I've found the agents will say most anything to get you off the phone)
Fair enough. Those were likely GS instruments, yes.

Originally Posted by Kiewittravel
2. I think you are misunderstanding my acknowledgement of the published list about GS instruments clearing first. I absolutely agree on the United page "Where am I on the waitlist", it lists "United Global Services Requests" as #1 priority for upgrades. However, on the same page it also states:

Upgrade priority on United Premium Plus

On aircraft with United Premium Plus, we’ll first process United Polaris business class or United Business waitlists for all members who have purchased United Premium Plus seats, using the same priority order that applies to all upgrades. We’ll then process waitlists for members with United Economy seats.

How are these two sections interpreted when read together? As an attorney it's pretty simple --> United should clear all purchased Premium Plus seats in the order set above (GS first) before economy. This is not what happened on my flight. People that were in economy were cleared all the way to Polaris prior to anyone in Premium Plus (note the four people cleared to Polaris were the only ones upgraded on the flight)
OK, now we’re on the same page, at least. The text you quoted earlier was slightly distinct, making me think it was from a different source.

You’re quoting the footnote for tiebreaker #3. However, you’ve already lost the tie on tiebreaker #1 — Global Services requests. IMO, this page is unambiguous. I do think there is another page which omits the GS override, which is why I initially agreed there was some ambiguity. This, though, is straightforward. The only way to interpret that page is as an ordered list of tiebreakers, and the only way to interpret the footnote is that it applies only at the point with the asterisk. And it does, too: Anyone with a GS instrument in PE would have cleared ahead of the passengers who were in Y.
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Old Jul 14, 2023, 9:48 am
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I'm not quoting the footnote from #3, I'm quoting the bottom section of the page

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Originally Posted by Kiewittravel
I'm not quoting the footnote from #3, I'm quoting the bottom section of the page

But, alright I get it. This page is obviously monitored by UA employees who are trying to discourage any type of dispute or legal action

That actually doesn't bother me, at least you're listening to us!

So I got flamed already for "breaking my promise" to not post again. Sorry, have a nice day all
We have posted the upgrade waitlist priority order multiple times already. The footnote corresponds to #3

​You actually think UA is monitoring here? If UA actually monitor Flyertalk, maybe the food wouldn't suck so bad. We don't work for UA, and no one is trying to deceive/discourage you. However, feel free to litigate if you choose to.
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Old Jul 14, 2023, 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by Kiewittravel
I'm not quoting the footnote from #3, I'm quoting the bottom section of the page
Ugh. OK, that’s brutal.

UA puts this information in a footnote, and then repeats it without context? That’s… asinine.

Reading the page as a whole, without already understanding what it means, I see where you’re coming from. The page, as you learned, does not represent reality — the reality is that the footnote is correct and the text below it is incorrect.


Originally Posted by Repooc17
​You actually think UA is monitoring here? If UA actually monitor Flyertalk, maybe the food wouldn't suck so bad. We don't work for UA, and no one is trying to deceive/discourage you. However, feel free to litigate if you choose to.
Eh, I think some people are trying to keep OP from wasting time on a Quixotic lawsuit, but as a friendly intervention, not as some way to protect United. Non-GS outnumber GS by a large amount on this forum, so if OP were somehow able to get UA to honor that interpretation of the upgrade list, it’d probably be a good thing for most of us. I just don’t see it happening.
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Old Jul 14, 2023, 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by jsloan
Eh, I think some people are trying to keep OP from wasting time on a Quixotic lawsuit, but as a friendly intervention, not as some way to protect United. Non-GS outnumber GS by a large amount on this forum, so if OP were somehow able to get UA to honor that interpretation of the upgrade list, it’d probably be a good thing for most of us. I just don’t see it happening.
Correct. We are all trying to do the same - see my post from yesterday.

Originally Posted by Repooc17
I would recommend saving the legal fee. You have already spent a lot of money chasing status, as per your note, no need to spend more money on something not going to be in your favor.
I am not sure where the conversation goes from here if the OP thinks we are UA employees trying to discourage him from suing.
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Over the years, many deviations from UA's published upgrade priority rules have been identified on FT, some resulting from IT limitations, some deliberate. I'm not sure we even know whether GS in Y clearing ahead of 1Ks in PE is deliberate, or an unintended consequence of coding for PN vs. PZ. In all events, while it's certainly frustrating when upgrades are processed outside the published order, the notion that this gives rise to a legal remedy is problematic, both as a practical matter and as a matter of law. For its part, UA has certainly done everything it can to eliminate any potential legal liability through its program rules, which state:
The Program is offered at the discretion of United and United has the right to terminate the Program, in whole or in part, or to change the Rules, benefits, conditions of participation, Premier (and/or Million Miler) qualification criteria or mileage levels, in whole or in part, at any time, with or without notice, even though changes may affect the value of Premier (and/or Million Miler) status levels, benefits, mileage or certificates already accumulated.
And:
United may, among other things, withdraw, limit, modify or cancel any award; increase the mileage, cash required, applicable co-pays or number of certificates required for any award; modify benefits associated with Premier (and/or Million Miler) status; modify Premier (and/or Million Miler) qualification criteria; modify or regulate the transferability of awards or benefits; add an unlimited number of blackout dates; or limit the number of award seats available to any or all destinations. Members of the Program (“Members”), in accumulating any benefits of any kind including but not limited to certificates, mileage, and (to the extent applicable) Premier qualifying dollars (“PQD”), Premier qualifying segments (“PQS”), Premier qualifying miles (“PQM”), Premier Qualifying Flights (“PQF”) or Premier Qualifying Points (“PQP,” together with PQD, PQS, PQM, PQF or any future type of Premier qualification metric (each, to the extent applicable), “Premier Qualifying Credits”), may not rely upon the continued availability of (a) the benefits associated with a Premier (and/or Million Miler) status level or (b) an award or award level, and Members may not be able to obtain all offered benefits or awards or use awards to all destinations or on all flights.
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The Rules control your membership and participation in the Program and no covenants at law or in equity shall be implied or incorporated, all of which are expressly disclaimed. United has the sole right to interpret and apply the Rules.
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Old Jul 14, 2023, 11:44 am
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Originally Posted by Kiewittravel
One more question, below is the verbatim verbiage from United’s website….

On aircraft with United Premium Plus, we’ll first process United Polaris business class or United Business waitlists for all members who have purchased United Premium Plus seats, using the same priority order that applies to all upgrades. We’ll then process waitlists for members with United Economy seats.
In addition to what has been said previously, you’re ignoring this part of the statement. The same priority order…is that GS requests are #1. This isn’t even a different page. The numbered 1-8 waitlist prioritization list that lists GS requests as the first factor is on the same page as what you’re quoting, in the section directly proceeding “Upgrade Priority on United Premium Plus” where you’re quoting the block of text from.

So really your argument comes down to proving what the agent said, and that such a statement is binding on UA when I believe their terms/contract are that only certain levels of employees (none lf which a chat agent are) can materially alter the terms/conditions of your purchase.
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I agree with Kiewitttravel that the most reasonable reading of the United website and policy suggest that any passenger in Premium Plus should be prioritized ahead of any passenger in Economy. For me to know otherwise, it took an examination of the actual outcome of upgrades to determine the actual fact: PN-supported upgrade requests from Economy take priority of PZ-supported upgrades from Premium Plus.

However, I think it's pretty clear there is no legal case here.

Even ignoring the question of whether the passenger "purchased a United Premium Plus seat" (again ambiguous, although a sticker upgrade does not reissue the ticket and more importantly does not alter the attached coupon for travel)...

A Plus Points upgrade is a MileagePlus benefit, and is therefore governed by the Rules for the Mileage Plus Program. These rules (a more formal legal contract governing the program), stipulate that (bolding mine): "The Rules control your membership and participation in the Program and no covenants at law or in equity shall be implied or incorporated, all of which are expressly disclaimed. United has the sole right to interpret and apply the Rules."

Moreover, in Han v. United Continental Holdings, Inc., the Seventh Circuit in a similar dispute* held that

Accordingly, because the MileagePlus Program Rules gave United discretion to interpret the terms of that contract, to state a breach of contract claim Han must allege an interpretation of that contract that is unreasonable. Merely alleging that the term is ambiguous and pointing to extrinsic evidence which could support his interpretation of the contract is not enough
which is to say that contra proferentem doesn't really apply here. Pax would need to allege that UA's interpretation of its upgrade rules were unreasonable as a matter of law, which is a high bar that I am extraordinarily skeptical is met here.

*Han argued that "mileage" accrued for a flight should be figured based on the actual distance flown by the aircraft, and not the great-circle distance between the citypair, saying that the program terms were ambiguous as to the definition of "mileage". The district court ruled for United, and the Seventh Circuit concurred.
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In addition to what has been said previously, you’re ignoring this part of the statement. The same priority order…is that GS requests are #1. This isn’t even a different page. The numbered 1-8 waitlist prioritization list that lists GS requests as the first factor is on the same page as what you’re quoting, in the section directly proceeding “Upgrade Priority on United Premium Plus” where you’re quoting the block of text from.
Eh, sorry, this one’s not accurate. “For all members that have purchased Untied Premium Plus seats” limits that clause. Since the GS members in Y did not meet this criterion, the dependent clause doesn’t apply to them.

OP is absolutely correct that the text at the bottom of the page contradicts the text at the top.
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Originally Posted by Kiewittravel
Just two quick responses. Again I hope this thread will prove to be helpful for others
1. I know that economy passengers got upgraded all the way to Polaris ahead of me. I have screenshots of the same four names being 1 - 4 for upgrade to Premium Plus and simultaneously 1 - 4 on the upgrade list to Polaris. This is the way the list was published three days ahead of time. They were upgraded to Premium Plus 24 hours before the flight and to Polaris a couple hours before the flight. I can only assume they are GS b/c how else would they be able to jump ahead of everyone all the way from economy to Polaris (also the agent told me they were GS, but as I've found the agents will say most anything to get you off the phone)
So they were NOT upgraded from economy to Polaris, they were upgraded from economy to Premium Plus. THEN they were upgraded from Premium Plus to Polaris. Assuming they are all GS, this is completely consistent with all the parts of the CoC and MP T&C's that have been quoted multiple times. I don't think you'd waste as much on legal fees as some others seem to think, because not only would you lose the case but it would likely be dismissed with prejudice before even making it to court.
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Old Jul 14, 2023, 2:09 pm
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So they were NOT upgraded from economy to Polaris, they were upgraded from economy to Premium Plus. THEN they were upgraded from Premium Plus to Polaris.
This isn’t actually relevant. There’s no need for them to go from Economy to Premium Plus first in order for a GS to get priority for a Polaris upgrade; in fact, it makes no difference at all to the upgrade priority. They happened to go to P+, but if RN space (P+ upgrade space had never opened, they would still have been ahead of OP in upgrade priority for Polaris.
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Old Jul 14, 2023, 7:28 pm
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Originally Posted by jsloan
This isn’t actually relevant. There’s no need for them to go from Economy to Premium Plus first in order for a GS to get priority for a Polaris upgrade; in fact, it makes no difference at all to the upgrade priority. They happened to go to P+, but if RN space (P+ upgrade space had never opened, they would still have been ahead of OP in upgrade priority for Polaris.
I think it's relevant because it takes away any ambiguity that had arisen due to the varying language in different places on the website. The OP was mad because there is a place where it makes it sound like people in PP should get upgraded to Polaris ahead of anyone in Y. There's been a lot of discussion about how that's not true in practice, but I was just pointing out that it didn't even matter in this case.
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Originally Posted by DJ_Iceman
I think it's relevant because it takes away any ambiguity that had arisen due to the varying language in different places on the website. The OP was mad because there is a place where it makes it sound like people in PP should get upgraded to Polaris ahead of anyone in Y. There's been a lot of discussion about how that's not true in practice, but I was just pointing out that it didn't even matter in this case.
Upgrading from Y to O(RN) isn't supposed to change priority because ultimately your basis for request to J(PZ/PN) is still Y. In reality, sometimes — actually, with regularity — the RN upgrade does shuffle priority, but that's a bug.

So the clearance into PremiumPlus is irrelevant for theoretical purposes.

Think a little further about this: pax 1 on, say, V fare requests upgrade with pluspoints to J(PZ) only, not wanting to spend the instrument on upgrade to O(RN) ; pax 2 with same status as pax 1 and on W fare requests upgrade to J(PZ) and to O(RN). In the event pax 2 clears to O, there's no justification for moving pax 2 ahead of pax 1 for the J upgrade.
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Originally Posted by Kiewittravel (Post # 2112)
As promised, I won't post again unless I decided to file for arbitration. Thanks everyone!
Originally Posted by jsloan (Post # 2113)
On the contrary, please feel free to stay and be part of the community.
Indeed. The more viewpoints and perspectives, the better.

Originally Posted by Kiewittravel (Post # 2116)
We can agree to disagree whether my paid upgrade qualifies me having a PE ticket, but that's really the only defense that United will have here
And it will be an impregnable one. What you purchased was an economy fare with an upgrade to a premium economy seat. Not a premium economy fare. You did not "upfare". Big difference.

I say that as someone who worked for UA as a Reservation Sales Representative during my first two years of law school, but has never been higher than a Premier Platinum member, and is unlikely to do so. UA also unilaterally took away my contractual right as a life member of the United Club to access the lounge when not flying UA or a Star Alliance partner.

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If you want to go ahead and arbitrate, have at it. It could benefit many of us here. However, based on our collective knowledge, we think your likelihood of success is minuscule.
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Originally Posted by findark
IPax would need to allege that UA's interpretation of its upgrade rules were unreasonable as a matter of law, which is a high bar that I am extraordinarily skeptical is met here.
Even beyond that, I'm not sure that the alleged harm - an alleged failure to upgrade per the published priority rules - would be legally cognizable, as the link between the alleged breach and the alleged harm is awfully tenuous. Further, OP was transported in exactly the class of service for which he paid.

Originally Posted by DJ_Iceman
I don't think you'd waste as much on legal fees as some others seem to think, because not only would you lose the case but it would likely be dismissed with prejudice before even making it to court.
Yes, the claim would almost certainly be tossed at the pleading stage, but that could easily cost $50-100k in fees, even without an appeal. Perhaps you are not familiar with what it costs to litigate these days.
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