MP Accounts Closed by UA Alleging Fraud/Misuse
Jan 31, 2014, 6:05 am
#106
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,358
Am I missing out on this activity? My cards go back many years.
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Jan 31, 2014, 6:09 am
#107
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA Gold, UA Nobody, Hilton Gold
Posts: 2,372
Really? I have a couple of UA mileage cards. Each year that I pay the annual fee, I do not receive any miles related to the annual fee; I receive miles only on purchases. Chase Bank does not consider the annual fee as a purchase.
Am I missing out on this activity? My cards go back many years.
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Am I missing out on this activity? My cards go back many years.
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Jan 31, 2014, 8:26 am
#108
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Dubai / NYC
Programs: EK-IO, UA-1K2MM, ETIHAD-GOLD, SPG-PLAT LIFETIME, JUMEIRAH SERIUS GOLD
Posts: 5,220
The borderline is my secretary is booking travel from MY account in MY name. If she was booking travel from my account for numerous employees, that can be a problem. It's obviously not fraud if the free travel is booked for the account holder - regardless of who presses the buttons on the computer
Jan 31, 2014, 10:18 am
#109
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: GVA (Greater Vancouver Area)
Programs: DREAD Gold; UA 1.035MM; Bonvoy Au-197; PCC Elite+; CCC Elite+; MSC C-12; CWC Au-197; WoH Dis
Posts: 52,133
Jan 31, 2014, 11:01 am
#110
Join Date: May 2008
Location: worldwide
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 286
how is this violation??!!
The borderline is my secretary is booking travel from MY account in MY name. If she was booking travel from my account for numerous employees, that can be a problem. It's obviously not fraud if the free travel is booked for the account holder - regardless of who presses the buttons on the computer
so all the 1k or GS that have miles and books a lot of tickets for others are in violation if they let them book the ticket themselves if i give them my pin#?
How many tickets do other 1k or GS book tickets for others? I think i book like 3-5 tickets a year with miles and sometimes let my brother do it himself. This past year i think i booked like 9-12 tickets to lean my miles all for others so far. Am i in violation too?
So its ok if i book the tickets for others myself but if i let someone do for themselves its a violation?? All this is stupid.
Jan 31, 2014, 11:04 am
#111
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: ORD
Programs: AA PLT 2MM
Posts: 473
Jan 31, 2014, 11:13 am
#112
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: GVA (Greater Vancouver Area)
Programs: DREAD Gold; UA 1.035MM; Bonvoy Au-197; PCC Elite+; CCC Elite+; MSC C-12; CWC Au-197; WoH Dis
Posts: 52,133
It may be stupid, but you agreed to it when you signed up for your MP account.
Jan 31, 2014, 11:16 am
#113
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Plat 1.995MM, Hyatt Discoverist, Marriott Plat/LT Gold, Hilton Silver, IHG Plat
Posts: 66,821
so all the 1k or GS that have miles and books a lot of tickets for others are in violation if they let them book the ticket themselves if i give them my pin#?
How many tickets do other 1k or GS book tickets for others? I think i book like 3-5 tickets a year with miles and sometimes let my brother do it himself. This past year i think i booked like 9-12 tickets to lean my miles all for others so far. Am i in violation too?
So its ok if i book the tickets for others myself but if i let someone do for themselves its a violation?? All this is stupid.
How many tickets do other 1k or GS book tickets for others? I think i book like 3-5 tickets a year with miles and sometimes let my brother do it himself. This past year i think i booked like 9-12 tickets to lean my miles all for others so far. Am i in violation too?
So its ok if i book the tickets for others myself but if i let someone do for themselves its a violation?? All this is stupid.
What the OP was doing was far beyond what you are describing and all indications from UA what you are doing is no problem.
Jan 31, 2014, 11:28 am
#114
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: GVA (Greater Vancouver Area)
Programs: DREAD Gold; UA 1.035MM; Bonvoy Au-197; PCC Elite+; CCC Elite+; MSC C-12; CWC Au-197; WoH Dis
Posts: 52,133
Feb 1, 2014, 7:13 am
#115
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Dubai / NYC
Programs: EK-IO, UA-1K2MM, ETIHAD-GOLD, SPG-PLAT LIFETIME, JUMEIRAH SERIUS GOLD
Posts: 5,220
The could & do do things a lot worse. Airlines can get away with almost anything they want these days. Thats why they give the big bucks to Congress. Next time an airline leaves you stranded in some far away place with a valid ticket and tells you to make your own way home (they will refund you what you already paid for the return), think how crazy that is compared to this
Jan 28, 2015, 4:42 pm
#117
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: DEN
Programs: UA MM Plat; AA MM Gold; HHonors Diamond
Posts: 15,866
Jan 28, 2015, 4:48 pm
#118
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: PSM
Posts: 69,232
As for the penalty being too harsh, it is exactly what they say they'll do if you break the rules. Obviously that's not good for you since you got caught* but it is exactly what publish in the program rules.
*Pending further clarification & details.
Jan 28, 2015, 4:52 pm
#120
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Honolulu Harbor
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 15,014
"...I did sell some upgrade advice to friends and some strangers last year..."
Very strange. If the 'strangers' or family ended up with any of your miles or instruments and you ended up with their money, you are out of luck. Sure am interested in hearing how you convinced strangers to give you money for only 'advice'.
"Pay me $500 and I'll advise you how to use the GPU I'm giving to you for free" isn't a workaround to selling mileage or instruments.
Edit: BINGO!
Very strange. If the 'strangers' or family ended up with any of your miles or instruments and you ended up with their money, you are out of luck. Sure am interested in hearing how you convinced strangers to give you money for only 'advice'.
"Pay me $500 and I'll advise you how to use the GPU I'm giving to you for free" isn't a workaround to selling mileage or instruments.
Edit: BINGO!
Last edited by IAH-OIL-TRASH; Jan 28, 2015 at 5:08 pm