MP Accounts Closed by UA Alleging Fraud/Misuse
#166
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For long-haul flights they would absolutely still be on the list and the upgrade could clear at any point.
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And along these lines, did the OP actually give any advice? I seriously doubt it. Both buyer and seller knew exactly what they were doing. Buyer wanted a GPU and was willing to pay for it. Seller wanted to sell a GPU and was willing to skirt the rules. I can almost guarantee not a single word of advice was given with this transaction.
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Yep. This turns what might possibly have been a "two strike" issue into a "one strike" issue. Not only should a GS know better, UA has proof that they did in fact know better and did it anyway.
Last edited by Steve M; Feb 1, 2015 at 7:58 pm
#176
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Consider this scenario:
Let's assume I haven't read the T&C and I want to sell a GPU, so I google "UA GPU sale" on the web and get web sites of people selling their GPUs. So they say they are charging $400 for "Advice" and giving the GPU for free. So, I think
"Okay, since everybody's doing it that way, that must be the way to sell your GPUs legitimately". Why would I suddenly think all these people were breaking the Rules?
I don't think there's any conclusive evidence that OP knew it was wrong.....And, almost certainly he did not know what would happen if UA busted him.
However, one thing is clear: UA can make some serious money by busting 1K/GS flyers and closing their accounts. Why put out a big public notice if you can make money by keeping it quiet? A darker question might be: Does UA really want 1K/GS flyers to stop selling/bartering/trading their GPUs?!
P.s. BTW, how many people read and understand all the Terms & Conditions on anything they sign up for? (I.e. Credit cards, software, retail products, etc.)
Last edited by EMan; Feb 1, 2015 at 4:22 pm
#177
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Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.
Consider this scenario:
Let's assume I haven't read the T&C and I want to sell a GPU, so I google "UA GPU sale" on the web and get web sites of people selling their GPUs. So they say they are charging $400 for "Advice" and giving the GPU for free. So, I think
"Okay, since everybody's doing it that way, that must be the way to sell your GPUs legitimately". Why would I suddenly think all these people were breaking the Rules?
I don't think there's any conclusive evidence that OP knew it was wrong.....And, almost certainly he did not know what would happen if UA busted him.
However, one thing is clear: UA can make some serious money by busting 1K/GS flyers and closing their accounts. Why put out a big public notice if you can make money by keeping it quiet?
P.s. BTW, how many people read and understand all the Terms & Conditions on anything you sign up for? (I.e. Credit cards, software, retail products, etc.)
Consider this scenario:
Let's assume I haven't read the T&C and I want to sell a GPU, so I google "UA GPU sale" on the web and get web sites of people selling their GPUs. So they say they are charging $400 for "Advice" and giving the GPU for free. So, I think
"Okay, since everybody's doing it that way, that must be the way to sell your GPUs legitimately". Why would I suddenly think all these people were breaking the Rules?
I don't think there's any conclusive evidence that OP knew it was wrong.....And, almost certainly he did not know what would happen if UA busted him.
However, one thing is clear: UA can make some serious money by busting 1K/GS flyers and closing their accounts. Why put out a big public notice if you can make money by keeping it quiet?
P.s. BTW, how many people read and understand all the Terms & Conditions on anything you sign up for? (I.e. Credit cards, software, retail products, etc.)
#178
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This one is simple. OP got caught committing fraud and UA fired him. He's lucky that all he lost was his miles, his certs and his status. Now he's gonna face his customers seeking refunds when their UG's are canceled. Presumably he's got the smarts to now report the sales as income and pay taxes on them while he's still got time.
If the underlying miles/certs were earned on tickets paid for by an employer, he may well face an employer who doesn't trust employees who scam others while on company "time".
OP needs a lawyer. Not to sue UA, but to defend himself.
If the underlying miles/certs were earned on tickets paid for by an employer, he may well face an employer who doesn't trust employees who scam others while on company "time".
OP needs a lawyer. Not to sue UA, but to defend himself.
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I'd be more worried about UA coming after him for the costs of past flights. If they can track down and get statements from those that have bought past travel advice, and surely they know who these flyers are with I.D. now required of everyone, he could be in a world of hurt.
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That's exactly the kind of gullibility these people are taking advantage of. Do you also trust all those Nigerian princes giving money away? After all, if there are so many, they must all be legit, right?
Exactly.
Exactly.