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Ways to avoid IAD
Originally Posted by Seat 1F
(Post 22129663)
I assume this was at IAD? I agree the UCs at IAD are awful.....the worst systemwide IMHO. Frankly, I didn't think much of the GF lounge at IAD when I was there in July/August last year......but at least it was not as crowded and dumpy as the UCs at IAD. The UA IAD experience is so poor, I don't know why Washington/Virginia residents don't revolt in mass and refuse to fly from there.
It just looked it up and it happens that United has one flight per day from DCA to SFO and from DCA to DEN. I plan to start using that instead but it won't make a dent at IAD. I wonder how many takeoff/landing slots United has at DCA? |
Originally Posted by IAD22066
(Post 22130878)
I wonder how many takeoff/landing slots United has at DCA?
4 slots operating as 1x Denver, 1x San Francisco |
Originally Posted by mahasamatman
(Post 22130898)
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Originally Posted by IAD22066
(Post 22130941)
Thanks :) I knew Sen. McCain managed to get the 1,250 mile perimeter restriction lifted but I didn't know that there were only 20 slots. The wikipedia article shows that US Air and AA have a total of 12 of those 20 slots. Will they have to give some of those up when they merge?
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Originally Posted by Col Ronson
(Post 22130949)
Yes those will most likely go to WN.
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OK - admittedly the OP is right about IAD and the UA facilities there. We're still in the 35+ year old Quonset huts which are C and D. The new terminal isn’t even a gleam in someone’s eye at this point. The UCs leave a lot to be desired. And taking a flight out of B can make your lower lip quiver with envy as mine did when Ogg and I flew SAA in December
But the simple fact for me is that UA is the only airline at IAD which goes everywhere I need to go direct: LHR, GRU, NRT/ICN, LAX, SFO, DEN, SEA, BOS and IAH. I think it’s simple math: direct flight=less chance of missed connection. While it is closer for me to drive to WAS, it can be an enormous pain during rush hour as opposed to IAD which is an entirely reverse commute for me. I simply don't see any reason to connect if I can avoid it. EWR is far worse in many ways than IAD – while the facilities are a little nicer that is more than compensated for by the overall “yougoddafrikkingproblemwitdat?” attitude of the whole place. And not to mention the almost automatic delays involved in flying out of NYC airspace. |
Originally Posted by IAD22066
(Post 22130878)
For me, I keep using IAD because I didn't think that you could fly as far as DEN or SFO from DCA.
It just looked it up and it happens that United has one flight per day from DCA to SFO and from DCA to DEN. I plan to start using that instead but it won't make a dent at IAD. I wonder how many takeoff/landing slots United has at DCA? |
The DEN and SFO nonstops xDCA are poorly timed. Nonetheless, it can be a lot easier to fly TCON x DCA changing at IAH or ORD than to schlep to IAD and deal with getting from curbside to a gate located 7 miles or thereabouts away.
That said, while DCA is great for O&D, IAD -- as a hub -- has the connections which people need and that removes the incentive for UA to force change. So long as the runways don't crumble, UA has a fortress at IAD and people will continue to use it. |
Originally Posted by IAD22066
(Post 22130941)
Thanks :) I knew Sen. McCain managed to get the 1,250 mile perimeter restriction lifted but I didn't know that there were only 20 slots. The wikipedia article shows that US Air and AA have a total of 12 of those 20 slots. Will they have to give some of those up when they merge?
Originally Posted by Col Ronson
(Post 22130949)
Yes those will most likely go to WN. the DoT seems intent on selling them to "LCCs"
Originally Posted by mahasamatman
(Post 22130981)
I'm sure B6 will bid, too.
It's the DoJ not the DoT that's forcing new AA to give up DCA slots, as part of the merger settlement. These slots will be just the typical in-perimeter service, and not come out of any of the several "special" type slots at DCA. |
Originally Posted by bse118
(Post 22132386)
It's the DoJ not the DoT that's forcing new AA to give up DCA slots, as part of the merger settlement. These slots will be just the typical in-perimeter service, and not come out of any of the several "special" type slots at DCA.
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Originally Posted by bse118
(Post 22132386)
It is very unlikely that the new AA will give up any beyond perimeter DCA slots as part of what they have to give up. When the latest round of beyond perimeter exemptions (the perimeter restriction still exists, and has not been lifted) were granted in 2012 AS, B6, WN and VX were granted new slots. AA, US, UA and DL had to give up an existing in-perimeter slot and "trade" it for a beyond perimeter slot. AA is not going to voluntarily give those slots up.
It's the DoJ not the DoT that's forcing new AA to give up DCA slots, as part of the merger settlement. These slots will be just the typical in-perimeter service, and not come out of any of the several "special" type slots at DCA. |
Originally Posted by Critic
(Post 22135599)
Not to mention that once the Silver Line is fully operational, there will finally be a rail link from IAD to the city. Granted, not nearly as convenient as taking the Metro to/from DCA, but it removes one of the larger arguments for UA expanding ops at DCA.
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I get the frustration ....the facilities are beyond crappy but I don't have to live in the terminal or even connect. 5 Min drive from my house, $20 cab ride, direct connections to 90% of the places I need to go, never a weather or ATC delay. There is almost never a reason to endure the miserable day time ride to DCA (I mean HOV 3 seriously?) and if I do it is almost always for a 6AM flight. Much as I hate to say it I am stuck there regardless of the facility quality.
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Originally Posted by Critic
(Post 22135599)
Not to mention that once the Silver Line is fully operational, there will finally be a rail link from IAD to the city. Granted, not nearly as convenient as taking the Metro to/from DCA, but it removes one of the larger arguments for UA expanding ops at DCA.
If you're heading from DC to the West Coast, you can fly from DCA, switch airplanes at DEN, then travel the rest of the way. I wonder if persons inside the beltway would consider a layover in DEN better than a trip out to and then through Dulles. If John McCain can get more DCA slots for US Airways, it seems Nancy Pelosi could get more DCA slots for united. |
Originally Posted by IAD22066
(Post 22136138)
IAD will be fifteen stops away from Washington DC when the rest of the Silver line is completed. I don't know how long that trip will take but I can't imagine anyone in DC taking that trip unless they are doing international travel and can't get a ride. A cab costs about $60.
However, even this difference is misleading, because if you're at a downtown stop directly on the Yellow Line (e.g. Gallery Place), you don't have to transfer, and your ride is only 13 minutes, whereas your ride without a transfer to IAD would still be somewhere in the range of 55 minutes to just over an hour. In other words, transferring inflates the travel time disproportionally because the ride is so short. |
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