Ever been declared an unruly passenger? (compensation question)
Dec 10, 2013, 10:47 am
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Sorry, it is very clear cut and not at all arguable - your verbal response was out of line. Your behavior was absolutely contributory, if not causal. Can't hide behind your wife's maternity skirt. Sure, the FA in 1st behaved badly but that does not excuse your behavior. If you are old enough to impregnate someone you are probably too old for the "she started it" defense.
Dec 10, 2013, 11:52 am
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As far as compensation (referenced in your thread title)
, you've got to be kidding. 
Learn your lesson and move on.
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Dec 10, 2013, 12:16 pm
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Cursing to the attendant was not a particularly bright (or classy) thing to do and has no upside.
I disagree with many of the posters here. Who (the ....) cares if you swear, so long as it's not directed personally at the FA I don't see what the problem is. We can talk about "properness" to no end, but swearing is pervasive in adult society and there is nothing inappropriate about it.
It sounds like, based on your description of the situation, the FA wasn't following the normal social order of things (letting a prego woman use the toilet) so why should you? So long as nothing was threatening I simply don't see the problem and believe you have a valid claim with UA. I don't think it's even worth mentioning the swearing detail any more than its worth...
It sounds like, based on your description of the situation, the FA wasn't following the normal social order of things (letting a prego woman use the toilet) so why should you? So long as nothing was threatening I simply don't see the problem and believe you have a valid claim with UA. I don't think it's even worth mentioning the swearing detail any more than its worth...
"...Out of frustration I briefly cursed her out in a low tone..."
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Dec 10, 2013, 12:34 pm
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The cursing issue is a red herring. If the OP really wants to learn how to handle a situation like this, he needs to learn the #1 UA forum rule. If you get an answer you don't like or is obviously wrong, don't engage or prolong it, talk to someone else right away.
UA can be unreasonable and plain wrong at times and can take actions that feel hurtful (yesterday at ORD, I saw several people crying from multi day weather delays.) To be successful with UA you must be persistent in finding someone who will solve your problem. Don't waste a second on anyone who is the least bit unreasonable, even in an FA crew you will always find one sympathetic ear. However, if you offend one you offend them all.
UA can be unreasonable and plain wrong at times and can take actions that feel hurtful (yesterday at ORD, I saw several people crying from multi day weather delays.) To be successful with UA you must be persistent in finding someone who will solve your problem. Don't waste a second on anyone who is the least bit unreasonable, even in an FA crew you will always find one sympathetic ear. However, if you offend one you offend them all.
Dec 10, 2013, 12:36 pm
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The cursing issue is a red herring. If the OP really wants to learn how to handle a situation like this, he needs to learn the #1 UA forum rule. If you get an answer you don't like or is obviously wrong, don't engage or prolong it, talk to someone else right away.
UA can be unreasonable and plain wrong at times and can take actions that feel hurtful (yesterday at ORD, I saw several people crying from multi day weather delays.) To be successful with UA you must be persistent in finding someone who will solve your problem. Don't waste a second on anyone who is the least bit unreasonable, even in an FA crew you will always find one sympathetic ear. However, if you offend one you offend them all.
UA can be unreasonable and plain wrong at times and can take actions that feel hurtful (yesterday at ORD, I saw several people crying from multi day weather delays.) To be successful with UA you must be persistent in finding someone who will solve your problem. Don't waste a second on anyone who is the least bit unreasonable, even in an FA crew you will always find one sympathetic ear. However, if you offend one you offend them all.
I'm not into cursing people out myself, but no reason to engage at all when you can have the crew clear it up amongst themselves.
Dec 10, 2013, 12:46 pm
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The underlying question of whether OP's wife was authorized to use the F lav or not is not relevant. What OP did was wrong and he is beyond lucky that he wasn't arrested on arrival.
Bring this to UA's attention and the company will always back its flight crew. OP may well wind up as an involuntary former customer.
The solution here was not to curse (whatever that means) the FA, but to go back to the FA who authorized OP's wife to use the F Lav and enlist that FA in solving the problem.
Bring this to UA's attention and the company will always back its flight crew. OP may well wind up as an involuntary former customer.
The solution here was not to curse (whatever that means) the FA, but to go back to the FA who authorized OP's wife to use the F Lav and enlist that FA in solving the problem.
Dec 10, 2013, 12:50 pm
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Dec 10, 2013, 12:54 pm
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Dec 10, 2013, 1:53 pm
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/25/11.441
Although it appears most judges throw this charge out for use of profanity, it isn't a stretch to be arrested for it as a quick google will show that many have. Not that I agree with it, just pointing out that many have been arrested under this charge for just such a thing.
Although it appears most judges throw this charge out for use of profanity, it isn't a stretch to be arrested for it as a quick google will show that many have. Not that I agree with it, just pointing out that many have been arrested under this charge for just such a thing.
Dec 10, 2013, 2:25 pm
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And I hope you're equally understanding if someone declines to step aside. Some people have medical conditions that don't give them much warning when they need to go.
Dec 10, 2013, 2:33 pm
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/25/11.441
Although it appears most judges throw this charge out for use of profanity, it isn't a stretch to be arrested for it as a quick google will show that many have. Not that I agree with it, just pointing out that many have been arrested under this charge for just such a thing.
Although it appears most judges throw this charge out for use of profanity, it isn't a stretch to be arrested for it as a quick google will show that many have. Not that I agree with it, just pointing out that many have been arrested under this charge for just such a thing.
Dec 10, 2013, 3:01 pm
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In answer to your question, it is a 20-year federal felony:
An individual on an aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States who, by assaulting or intimidating a flight crew member or flight attendant of the aircraft, interferes with the performance of the duties of the member or attendant or lessens the ability of the member or attendant to perform those duties, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both. However, if a dangerous weapon is used in assaulting or intimidating the member or attendant, the individual shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life. 49 USC 46504
Don't kid yourself. There stations where the arrest would have been made.
An individual on an aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States who, by assaulting or intimidating a flight crew member or flight attendant of the aircraft, interferes with the performance of the duties of the member or attendant or lessens the ability of the member or attendant to perform those duties, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both. However, if a dangerous weapon is used in assaulting or intimidating the member or attendant, the individual shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life. 49 USC 46504
Don't kid yourself. There stations where the arrest would have been made.
Dec 10, 2013, 3:03 pm
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You completely had my sympathy until the cursing. You have to know that that is unacceptable and makes it LESS likely that you will get what you want.