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"Upgrade certificates (GPUs & RPUs) are useless nowadays"

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Old Apr 22, 18, 2:07 pm
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Originally Posted by RichardInSF View Post
For SFO-EWR, with some flexibility, this never used to be a problem. For the past two years, it always is a problem -- no upgrades are available at booking time even months ahead. For me, it's a joke. As a result, I've found myself flying Jet Blue and Delta more on this route with the additional advantage that I can go to JFK instead of EWR
Iíve been seeing the standard $299 TOD upgrade available showing up months in advance of TCON flights now. Seems to be linked to P inventory. Just did a Wó>P $299 upgrade for an SFO-EWR flight in late May. Itís not clear whether lower fare classes are also upgradable, but given inventory is almost always P>PN>R good luck using RPUs on future PS flights.
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Old Apr 22, 18, 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by prometa View Post


Iíve been seeing the standard $299 TOD upgrade available showing up months in advance of TCON flights now. Seems to be linked to P inventory. Just did a Wó>P $299 upgrade for an SFO-EWR flight in late May. Itís not clear whether lower fare classes are also upgradable, but given inventory is almost always P>PN>R good luck using RPUs on future PS flights.
I thought that B6 sells flat bed business seat for $599 one way. I do not think that UA W costs $300 one way. If W is less than $300, UA sells its business seat far less than B6 does.
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Old Apr 22, 18, 5:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Kmxu View Post

I thought that B6 sells flat bed business seat for $599 one way. I do not think that UA W costs $300 one way. If W is less than $300, UA sells its business seat far less than B6 does.
W fares are $309 to $354, plus Q schedules, on SFO/EWR. But the sellup is fixed-fee so yes, with a carefully plotted G fare you could pay more like $430. However, it comes at the cost of being a technically non-refundable fee which is not part of the coupon value (forfeit in the case of any voluntary change), earns zero PQD and no additional RDM, and sometimes also earns no additional PQM. For the same amount of planning, I would argue the $659 P fare is the better deal at least 75% of the time.
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Old Apr 22, 18, 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Kmxu View Post

I thought that B6 sells flat bed business seat for $599 one way. I do not think that UA W costs $300 one way. If W is less than $300, UA sells its business seat far less than B6 does.
The issue is not the cost, it’s that many corporate travelers will get booked in the Y cabin and then can buy up to J on their own. Technically this has been possible forever with GG BUYUP if you get the right agent, but most travelers probably were unaware of it. Now it’s sold front and center in the app so I expect more upgrades to sell, more to happen spontaneously, and even fewer seats to go to RPUs especially before the gate.
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Old Apr 23, 18, 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Aussienarelle View Post
My experience over the last couple of years is that UGs clear much closer to departure date.
Closer to departure date? I have had all of the few that have cleared in the last year at T24hrs or less. A few have even cleared after I boarded! As far as getting them to clear on PS flights, that is getting as rare as hen's teeth now.
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Old Apr 23, 18, 2:09 pm
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Closer to departure date? I have had all of the few that have cleared in the last year at T24hrs or less. A few have even cleared after I boarded! As far as getting them to clear on PS flights, that is getting as rare as hen's teeth now.
I do seem to have a higher success rate with GPUs.
RPUs take a number of attempts. I think the problem with the RPUs is that as they are domestic flights and generally through hubs then GS rank higher than me for priority but have been #1 or #2 on my most recent RPU flights.

So in fairness if you are talking about RPUs do agree more often at the gate, and due to discussions on FT I watch the app if I am #1 on the UG list. However, I have had a couple of RPUs take a week or so out.
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Old Apr 23, 18, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Aussienarelle View Post
I do seem to have a higher success rate with GPUs.
RPUs take a number of attempts. I think the problem with the RPUs is that as they are domestic flights and generally through hubs then GS rank higher than me for priority but have been #1 or #2 on my most recent RPU flights.

So in fairness if you are talking about RPUs do agree more often at the gate, and due to discussions on FT I watch the app if I am #1 on the UG list. However, I have had a couple of RPUs take a week or so out.
On domestic or regional routes, GPU's and RPU's are no different in the priority they give you. They basically are waitlisting you with the same priority. The ultimate priority within the same fare class and UA status is when the instrument is applied. If you apply your RPU in W class before another 1K applies a GPU for the same flight in W class, you will still clear first. It does not matter what type of instrument is used... only when it is applied for the tie-break (if status and fare class are equal).
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Old Apr 23, 18, 4:48 pm
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Originally Posted by jjmoore View Post
On domestic or regional routes, GPU's and RPU's are no different in the priority they give you.
I suspect Ausienarelle was referring to domestic instrument upgrades being much tougher than upgrades on GPU only routes. A sentiment I share. This thread was originally entitled "RPUs are Useless Nowadays" and I think that's more accurate.
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Old Apr 25, 18, 4:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee View Post
I suspect Ausienarelle was referring to domestic instrument upgrades being much tougher than upgrades on GPU only routes. A sentiment I share. This thread was originally entitled "RPUs are Useless Nowadays" and I think that's more accurate.
I typically fly more domestics routes now so yeah probably my RPUs on average less than GPU's on the international flights. But having said that I have not cleared a GPU in almost 2 years now. If there is no R space at booking I can't/won't risk having them not clear and be stuck in E+. I have had it happen several times now and these old bones can't take a TATL or a TPAC and then have to work as soon as I hit the ground.
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Old Apr 25, 18, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by nomad420 View Post
I typically fly more domestics routes now so yeah probably my RPUs on average less than GPU's on the international flights. But having said that I have not cleared a GPU in almost 2 years now. If there is no R space at booking I can't/won't risk having them not clear and be stuck in E+. I have had it happen several times now and these old bones can't take a TATL or a TPAC and then have to work as soon as I hit the ground.
I would say, "GPUs are most valuable if you are extremely flexible on travel dates and routing. Otherwise their value may be limited, particularly if you are not willing to waitlist. RPUs are just plain worthless."
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Old Apr 25, 18, 8:02 pm
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GG Fareup to move up on waitlist?

will I improve my chances (move up on the waitlist rank) if I fareup inside the 24 hour window?
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Old Apr 25, 18, 8:07 pm
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Originally Posted by tryathlete View Post
will I improve my chances (move up on the waitlist rank) if I fareup inside the 24 hour window?
There's no universal rule. The second tiebreaker for upgrade waitlist is fare, after status. If you have 1K status it might be worthwhile if the flight load is tight but not too tight (intentionally vague). If there aren't many seats left or there are many seats left, it could be a waste of money.

edit: actually to respond literally to your question, yes.
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Old Apr 25, 18, 9:16 pm
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Originally Posted by tryathlete View Post
will I improve my chances (move up on the waitlist rank) if I fareup inside the 24 hour window?
Honestly, I don't know. If the ticket is reissued, it will probably drop the upgrade request entirely, and if it isn't I'm skeptical it will update the code on the PNR. I definitely wouldn't risk it without solid confirmation.
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Old Apr 25, 18, 9:24 pm
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Originally Posted by tryathlete View Post
GG Fareup to move up on waitlist?
will I improve my chances (move up on the waitlist rank) if I fareup inside the 24 hour window?
Strictly speaking, GG BUYUP only waives the change fee if changing a cabin. However, there have been numerous reports of people being successful up- faring to GPU eligible fare. Whether you would get a change fee waiver this situation is a potential issue.

And as mentioned, up-faring may drop the waitlist and then the agent would have to potentially waive another rule on applying an upgrade inside of T-24.
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Old Apr 25, 18, 10:30 pm
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Originally Posted by tryathlete View Post
will I improve my chances (move up on the waitlist rank) if I fareup inside the 24 hour window?

Originally Posted by fumje View Post
There's no universal rule. The second tiebreaker for upgrade waitlist is fare, after status. If you have 1K status it might be worthwhile if the flight load is tight but not too tight (intentionally vague). If there aren't many seats left or there are many seats left, it could be a waste of money.

edit: actually to respond literally to your question, yes.
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Honestly, I don't know. If the ticket is reissued, it will probably drop the upgrade request entirely, and if it isn't I'm skeptical it will update the code on the PNR. I definitely wouldn't risk it without solid confirmation.
Originally Posted by WineCountryUA View Post
Strictly speaking, GG BUYUP only waives the change fee if changing a cabin. However, there have been numerous reports of people being successful up- faring to GPU eligible fare. Whether you would get a change fee waiver this situation is a potential issue.

And as mentioned, up-faring may drop the waitlist and then the agent would have to potentially waive another rule on applying an upgrade inside of T-24.
Ah I misunderstood the question (thought "24 hours" was referring to the post-reservation window).

Agree that it is a strange corner case and probably not wise to attempt. I would give very high odds to the upgrade request being dropped, as setting change fee questions aside, the normal buyup procedure results in reissue.
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