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This is an archive thread, the active thread is Fare Class has Inventory - Not Able to Book into?
Common issue
Expert Mode shows ..... T9, L9, K9, G9, N9 but you not able to get united.com or other sites to provide a fare for N or G or .... WHY?
There are three requirements to be able to book a fare class
1) there needs to be a fare rule for that fare class for your O/D.
2) you need to meet all the requirements for the fare rule -- advance purchase, days of the week, min stay, qualified flight numbers, qualified routing (including a possible RT requirement), .....
3) there needs to be inventory in the fare class
So if the cheapest fare rule filed is K, you will not be able to book N or G
Even if a fare rule is filed and there is inventory then you still need to meet the fare rule requirements.
As for searching, if multiple fares qualify, the cheapest will be displayed unless you specifically force a fare class. While the fare hierarchy will generally match the cost, occasionally a high fare class will be cheaper than a lower fare class due to differences in fare flexibility such as refundable, changeability, ....
So there are multiple reasons for why a specific fare class is and not is offered. Confusion on this is one reason UA has been reluctant to make fare class inventory easily available and the reason UA requires one to accept the following terms before providing access to Expert Mode:
How can you see the fare rules?
While booking (on the first "Review trip itin" page) and after booking (on the online view of the reservation) , UA will makes them available -- but this is only if UA will display that particular fare.
Before booking or if unable to get access on UA, there are paid services -- KVS, Expert Flyer. ... can provide access to all published fare rules.
Related threads
Decoding the alphabet soup - New fare buckets for UA
How to get a P class fare to Europe?
Understanding Airline Inventory (non FT blog posting)
Desired Fare Class is available but has insufficient space, what can be done?
Common issue
Expert Mode shows ..... T9, L9, K9, G9, N9 but you not able to get united.com or other sites to provide a fare for N or G or .... WHY?
There are three requirements to be able to book a fare class
1) there needs to be a fare rule for that fare class for your O/D.
2) you need to meet all the requirements for the fare rule -- advance purchase, days of the week, min stay, qualified flight numbers, qualified routing (including a possible RT requirement), .....
3) there needs to be inventory in the fare class
So if the cheapest fare rule filed is K, you will not be able to book N or G
Even if a fare rule is filed and there is inventory then you still need to meet the fare rule requirements.
As for searching, if multiple fares qualify, the cheapest will be displayed unless you specifically force a fare class. While the fare hierarchy will generally match the cost, occasionally a high fare class will be cheaper than a lower fare class due to differences in fare flexibility such as refundable, changeability, ....
So there are multiple reasons for why a specific fare class is and not is offered. Confusion on this is one reason UA has been reluctant to make fare class inventory easily available and the reason UA requires one to accept the following terms before providing access to Expert Mode:
This is not a forecasting tool. Availability levels in certain fare classes should not be interpreted as indicating that we will make other fare classes available.
The presence of a particular fare class does not mean that there is a fare associated with it. For example, we may offer availability in a discounted fare class, but that does not necessarily mean we have published a fare that corresponds to it.
The presence of a particular fare class does not mean that there is a fare associated with it. For example, we may offer availability in a discounted fare class, but that does not necessarily mean we have published a fare that corresponds to it.
While booking (on the first "Review trip itin" page) and after booking (on the online view of the reservation) , UA will makes them available -- but this is only if UA will display that particular fare.
Before booking or if unable to get access on UA, there are paid services -- KVS, Expert Flyer. ... can provide access to all published fare rules.
Related threads
Decoding the alphabet soup - New fare buckets for UA
How to get a P class fare to Europe?
Understanding Airline Inventory (non FT blog posting)
Desired Fare Class is available but has insufficient space, what can be done?
Fare Class has Inventory - Not Able to Book into? {Archive]
#316
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I'm seeing a bit of an odd situation and trying to figure out why it's happening. For DEN-NRT, the Saturday flights I'd checked in November are just J1JN1 when searching DEN-NRT (e.g. November 9, November 16), but it's J9 if I look at some connecting options, and the J seatmap is completely empty with 36 unselected seats. I understand that they may not offer lower inventory for a direct flight like P or Z fares, but why would they be restricting sales on the direct flight to J1, and not even offering to sell 2 seats at full J on the direct when there are clearly 9+ J seats available for purchasing via connecting options. Any insight?
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I'm seeing a bit of an odd situation and trying to figure out why it's happening. For DEN-NRT, the Saturday flights I'd checked in November are just J1JN1 when searching DEN-NRT (e.g. November 9, November 16), but it's J9 if I look at some connecting options, and the J seatmap is completely empty with 36 unselected seats. I understand that they may not offer lower inventory for a direct flight like P or Z fares, but why would they be restricting sales on the direct flight to J1, and not even offering to sell 2 seats at full J on the direct when there are clearly 9+ J seats available for purchasing via connecting options. Any insight?
-RM
#318
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Strange pricing EWR-CDG Memorial weekend
I am looking to purchase a round trip business fare from EWR to CDG departing 5/26 and returning 5/30. The system is only letting me purchase really expensive D fares ($10k and change) and I can't figure out why. On both flights, lower fare buckets are available and the outbound even has PN3 (UA54). Can anyone help me understand why I'm only being shown a D fare? I've purchased this route many times and I've never paid more than $8k. It's boggling my mind and assume someone smart here can explain
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I am looking to purchase a round trip business fare from EWR to CDG departing 5/26 and returning 5/30. The system is only letting me purchase really expensive D fares ($10k and change) and I can't figure out why. On both flights, lower fare buckets are available and the outbound even has PN3 (UA54). Can anyone help me understand why I'm only being shown a D fare? I've purchased this route many times and I've never paid more than $8k. It's boggling my mind and assume someone smart here can explain
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One of the experts can probably give more context or pull the fare rules, but highly likely that the discount business buckets (especially intl) have some sort of advance purchase requirement. So even though you "see" availability down to PN, the Z and P fares likely have 14,21,30+ day purchase requirements, or minimum stay that you are not meeting with your quote for a ticket ~10 days out.
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You're booking close-in and for less than 7 days.
Almost all of the published fares that are less than ~$8k roundtrip require a 60-day advance purchase. It ratchets up form there at 28, 14, and 7 days. The pricing you're seeing is super common for travel less than 14 days out now.
If you can find a traveling companion and stay at least 7 days, there is a deeply discounted accompanied travel fare for ~$3,100 all in. Requires 2 or more travelers, and as far as I can tell the only days it works for the Memorial Day period is 5/25 outbound and 6/1 return because of the seasonality and 7-day min stay.
Almost all of the published fares that are less than ~$8k roundtrip require a 60-day advance purchase. It ratchets up form there at 28, 14, and 7 days. The pricing you're seeing is super common for travel less than 14 days out now.
If you can find a traveling companion and stay at least 7 days, there is a deeply discounted accompanied travel fare for ~$3,100 all in. Requires 2 or more travelers, and as far as I can tell the only days it works for the Memorial Day period is 5/25 outbound and 6/1 return because of the seasonality and 7-day min stay.
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If you can find a traveling companion and stay at least 7 days, there is a deeply discounted accompanied travel fare for ~$3,100 all in. Requires 2 or more travelers, and as far as I can tell the only days it works for the Memorial Day period is 5/25 outbound and 6/1 return because of the seasonality and 7-day min stay.
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You're booking close-in and for less than 7 days.
Almost all of the published fares that are less than ~$8k roundtrip require a 60-day advance purchase. It ratchets up form there at 28, 14, and 7 days. The pricing you're seeing is super common for travel less than 14 days out now.
If you can find a traveling companion and stay at least 7 days, there is a deeply discounted accompanied travel fare for ~$3,100 all in. Requires 2 or more travelers, and as far as I can tell the only days it works for the Memorial Day period is 5/25 outbound and 6/1 return because of the seasonality and 7-day min stay.
Almost all of the published fares that are less than ~$8k roundtrip require a 60-day advance purchase. It ratchets up form there at 28, 14, and 7 days. The pricing you're seeing is super common for travel less than 14 days out now.
If you can find a traveling companion and stay at least 7 days, there is a deeply discounted accompanied travel fare for ~$3,100 all in. Requires 2 or more travelers, and as far as I can tell the only days it works for the Memorial Day period is 5/25 outbound and 6/1 return because of the seasonality and 7-day min stay.
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I always find it fun to pull the fare table in situations like this:
Always very clear where the market segmentation is here. OP wants no Saturday night on less than 14 days notice, so is basically getting 2/3 things that make airfare really expensive (the third is refundability).
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----------------------------------------------------------------------- Cxr Basis BC Cbn Price Tp AP Min Max Days Rf ----------------------------------------------------------------------- UA PQX66SNC P J $667.00 RT 60 S 3M TWRF N UA PNX67SNC P J $755.50 RT 60 7 3M -X- N UA PQW66SNC P J $817.00 RT 60 S 3M M SU N UA PQA76SNC P J $868.50 RT 7 S 12M N UA PNX66SNC P J $905.50 RT 60 S 3M -X- N UA PNX96ENC P J $1,115.50 RT 90 S 12M TWRF N UA PNW96ENC P J $1,265.50 RT 90 S 12M M SU N UA PNX61ENC P J $1,365.50 RT 60 10 12M TWRF N UA ZNW61ENC Z J $1,515.50 RT 60 10 12M M SU N UA ZNX67ENC Z J $1,515.50 RT 60 S 12M TWRF N UA ZNX96ERC Z J $1,615.50 RT 90 S 12M TWRF 900 UA ZNW67ENC Z J $1,665.50 RT 60 S 12M M SU N UA ZNW96ERC Z J $1,765.50 RT 90 S 12M M SU 900 UA ZNX61ERC Z J $1,865.50 RT 60 10 12M TWRF 900 UA ZNW61ERC Z J $2,015.50 RT 60 10 12M M SU 900 UA ZNX67ERC Z J $2,015.50 RT 60 7 12M TWRF 900 UA ZNW67ERC Z J $2,165.50 RT 60 7 12M M SU 900 UA DNX86ERC D J $3,378.00 RT 28 S 12M TWRF 900 UA DNW86ERC D J $3,478.00 RT 28 S 12M M SU 900 UA DNX46ERC D J $3,527.00 RT 14 S 12M TWRF 900 UA DNW46ERC D J $3,627.00 RT 14 S 12M M SU 900 UA DNA86ERC D J $3,728.00 RT 28 S 12M 900 UA DNA06ERC D J $4,328.00 RT S 12M 900 UA DNA40ERC D J $4,328.00 RT 14 12h 12M 900 UA DNA00ERC D J $4,603.00 RT 12h 12M 900 UA DNAG7ERC D J $4,780.00 RT 30 7 12M 900 UA DNA26ERC D J $5,188.00 RT 21 S 12M 900 UA CNX76ERC C J $5,261.50 RT 7 S 12M TWRF 900 UA CWX76ERC C J $5,364.00 RT 7 S 12M M SU 900 UA CNA00ERC C J $5,886.00 RT 12h 12M 900 UA DNA20EFF D J $4,888.00 RT 21 12h 12M Y UA CNA00EFF C J $5,986.00 RT 12h 12M Y UA CNY00EFF C J $7,603.00 OW Y UA JXR1 J J $7,352.50 RT -XJ- Y UA JWR1 J J $7,452.00 RT -WJ- Y UA JAR1 J J $7,702.50 RT Y UA JX1 J J $9,645.00 OW -XJ- Y UA JW1 J J $9,645.00 OW -WJ- Y UA JA1 J J $9,895.00 OW Y
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I am looking to purchase a round trip business fare from EWR to CDG departing 5/26 and returning 5/30. The system is only letting me purchase really expensive D fares ($10k and change) and I can't figure out why. On both flights, lower fare buckets are available and the outbound even has PN3 (UA54). Can anyone help me understand why I'm only being shown a D fare? I've purchased this route many times and I've never paid more than $8k. It's boggling my mind and assume someone smart here can explain
The presence of a particular fare class does not mean that there is a fare associated with it. For example, we may offer availability in a discounted fare class, but that does not necessarily mean we have published a fare that corresponds to it. (emphasis in original)
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I know I have seen a thread on this but cannot work out the title. I am trying to book a P fare and it shows as available for both legs but does not come up as an option even when I search using P fare only - I mean it shows as a column but that nothing is available. I thought it may not be coming up due to booking as a round trip (and outbound will be in G) so tried booking as a one way and it still shows no availability in P although when you look at the details it is an available fare class and in fact has gone from P2 to P3 while I have been trying to buy the ticket. Very frustrating!
How do I access the fare class - googleflights?
TIA
How do I access the fare class - googleflights?
TIA
Last edited by WineCountryUA; May 17, 2019 at 5:38 pm Reason: moved to master thread
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To know for sure, you would need to find the published P fare for your O/D & dates and read the restrictions. To do this you need access to the entire set of fare rules, such as with EF or KVS or GDS access.
Note a different itinerary may meet the requirements and therefore may be bookable in P.Have the fare class inventory is a necessary but not sufficient condition for a booking.
This thread's wiki goes into this in more detail.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; May 17, 2019 at 5:44 pm Reason: how to find fare rules
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Or there may not be a P fare offered for the route.