Mar 6, 2015, 4:46 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Common issue
Expert Mode shows ..... T9, L9, K9, G9, N9 but you not able to get united.com or other sites to provide a fare for N or G or .... WHY?
There are three requirements to be able to book a fare class
1) there needs to be a fare rule for that fare class for your O/D.
2) you need to meet all the requirements for the fare rule -- advance purchase, days of the week, min stay, qualified flight numbers, qualified routing (including a possible RT requirement), .....
3) there needs to be inventory in the fare class
So if the cheapest fare rule filed is K, you will not be able to book N or G
Even if a fare rule is filed and there is inventory then you still need to meet the fare rule requirements.
As for searching, if multiple fares qualify, the cheapest will be displayed unless you specifically force a fare class. While the fare hierarchy will generally match the cost, occasionally a high fare class will be cheaper than a lower fare class due to differences in fare flexibility such as refundable, changeability, ....
So there are multiple reasons for why a specific fare class is and not is offered. Confusion on this is one reason UA has been reluctant to make fare class inventory easily available and the reason UA requires one to accept the following terms before providing access to Expert Mode:
How can you see the fare rules?
While booking (on the first "Review trip itin" page) and after booking (on the online view of the reservation) , UA will makes them available -- but this is only if UA will display that particular fare.
Before booking or if unable to get access on UA, there are paid services -- KVS, Expert Flyer. ... can provide access to all published fare rules.
Related threads
Decoding the alphabet soup - New fare buckets for UA
How to get a P class fare to Europe?
Understanding Airline Inventory (non FT blog posting)
Desired Fare Class is available but has insufficient space, what can be done?
Archive: Fare Class has Inventory - Not Able to Book into? {Archive]
Expert Mode shows ..... T9, L9, K9, G9, N9 but you not able to get united.com or other sites to provide a fare for N or G or .... WHY?
There are three requirements to be able to book a fare class
1) there needs to be a fare rule for that fare class for your O/D.
2) you need to meet all the requirements for the fare rule -- advance purchase, days of the week, min stay, qualified flight numbers, qualified routing (including a possible RT requirement), .....
3) there needs to be inventory in the fare class
So if the cheapest fare rule filed is K, you will not be able to book N or G
Even if a fare rule is filed and there is inventory then you still need to meet the fare rule requirements.
As for searching, if multiple fares qualify, the cheapest will be displayed unless you specifically force a fare class. While the fare hierarchy will generally match the cost, occasionally a high fare class will be cheaper than a lower fare class due to differences in fare flexibility such as refundable, changeability, ....
So there are multiple reasons for why a specific fare class is and not is offered. Confusion on this is one reason UA has been reluctant to make fare class inventory easily available and the reason UA requires one to accept the following terms before providing access to Expert Mode:
This is not a forecasting tool. Availability levels in certain fare classes should not be interpreted as indicating that we will make other fare classes available.
The presence of a particular fare class does not mean that there is a fare associated with it. For example, we may offer availability in a discounted fare class, but that does not necessarily mean we have published a fare that corresponds to it.
The presence of a particular fare class does not mean that there is a fare associated with it. For example, we may offer availability in a discounted fare class, but that does not necessarily mean we have published a fare that corresponds to it.
While booking (on the first "Review trip itin" page) and after booking (on the online view of the reservation) , UA will makes them available -- but this is only if UA will display that particular fare.
Before booking or if unable to get access on UA, there are paid services -- KVS, Expert Flyer. ... can provide access to all published fare rules.
Related threads
Decoding the alphabet soup - New fare buckets for UA
How to get a P class fare to Europe?
Understanding Airline Inventory (non FT blog posting)
Desired Fare Class is available but has insufficient space, what can be done?
Archive: Fare Class has Inventory - Not Able to Book into? {Archive]
Fare Class has Inventory - Not Able to Book into?
Jun 20, 2021, 2:11 pm
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Is there anyway on United's expert mode to book 2 passengers in different fare classes? i.e. if there is only 1 seat in the cheaper inventory can you book 1 and 1 as opposed to going to the higher class?
Doesn't work with most airlines, but UA does seem to have a bit more flexibility sometimes
Doesn't work with most airlines, but UA does seem to have a bit more flexibility sometimes
Jun 20, 2021, 2:12 pm
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Is there anyway on United's expert mode to book 2 passengers in different fare classes? i.e. if there is only 1 seat in the cheaper inventory can you book 1 and 1 as opposed to going to the higher class?
Doesn't work with most airlines, but UA does seem to have a bit more flexibility sometimes
Doesn't work with most airlines, but UA does seem to have a bit more flexibility sometimes
Jun 20, 2021, 2:13 pm
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Jun 20, 2021, 2:22 pm
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It is a fundamental limitation of a single PNR
as separate ticket, yes
For ancient reasons, an industry standard multiperson ticket, common ticket only has a single entry for ticket details: to, from, routing, fare, fare classes, ... so it is impossible to have different traveler ticket details.Some travel agents will issue a PNR with multiple tickets -- that is no longer the practice of the majors, it can create issues and does not offer the protection of a single ticket.
as separate ticket, yes
For ancient reasons, an industry standard multiperson ticket, common ticket only has a single entry for ticket details: to, from, routing, fare, fare classes, ... so it is impossible to have different traveler ticket details.Some travel agents will issue a PNR with multiple tickets -- that is no longer the practice of the majors, it can create issues and does not offer the protection of a single ticket.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Jun 20, 2021 at 2:41 pm Reason: re-phrase
Jun 22, 2021, 10:27 am
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In order to be on the same PNR, all fares need to be the same fare class. If AA ‘did’ this, they simply booked you on the same phone call, under two different PNRs.
Jun 22, 2021, 1:05 pm
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no, AA, nor any other airline, can or ever was able to do this. The only exception that I can think of is for certain discounts like for child discounts, but even those are booked into the same fare class, with the child charged X% (say 70 or 75%) of whatever the fare is, and those are embedded into the fare rules as part of the tariff when applicable.
In order to be on the same PNR, all fares need to be the same fare class. If AA ‘did’ this, they simply booked you on the same phone call, under two different PNRs.
In order to be on the same PNR, all fares need to be the same fare class. If AA ‘did’ this, they simply booked you on the same phone call, under two different PNRs.
Jun 24, 2021, 4:07 pm
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Thanks I appreciate the advice, I wasn't adding ticketing date so EF wasn't showing historical fares
Edit: It actually looks like EF has historical fares for 2 years, and in 2019 UA loaded all of their discount fares for December the last week of June, so I will give it a few more weeks and monitor before I buy. I will attempt to remember to update here.
Edit: It actually looks like EF has historical fares for 2 years, and in 2019 UA loaded all of their discount fares for December the last week of June, so I will give it a few more weeks and monitor before I buy. I will attempt to remember to update here.
Sep 2, 2021, 9:28 am
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Trying to book a trip in October for a friend HNL-SFO-DEN (avoiding redeyes). UA is providing options where HNL-SFO is in K but SFO-DEN is in S, the SFO-DEN flight is currently T9 L9 K1. When I attempt to book these separately it gives me the K fare on both segments, however I can't get it to price this way when booking a through ticket. I don't see anything in the fare rules that states S is the cheapest I can take in conjunction with an HNL flight. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Sep 2, 2021, 10:36 am
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Trying to book a trip in October for a friend HNL-SFO-DEN (avoiding redeyes). UA is providing options where HNL-SFO is in K but SFO-DEN is in S, the SFO-DEN flight is currently T9 L9 K1. When I attempt to book these separately it gives me the K fare on both segments, however I can't get it to price this way when booking a through ticket. I don't see anything in the fare rules that states S is the cheapest I can take in conjunction with an HNL flight. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Sep 2, 2021, 10:42 am
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Trying to book a trip in October for a friend HNL-SFO-DEN (avoiding redeyes). UA is providing options where HNL-SFO is in K but SFO-DEN is in S, the SFO-DEN flight is currently T9 L9 K1. When I attempt to book these separately it gives me the K fare on both segments, however I can't get it to price this way when booking a through ticket. I don't see anything in the fare rules that states S is the cheapest I can take in conjunction with an HNL flight. Any help is greatly appreciated.
As an example to others, consider 18-Oct-21 and HNL :: UA372 SFO UA1790 :: DEN
This will price substantially lower when splitting the ticket in SFO, as the lower SFO-DEN fares seem unwilling to price in combination with GAX5LKEN on HNL-SFO.
Sep 2, 2021, 11:08 am
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Trying to book a trip in October for a friend HNL-SFO-DEN (avoiding redeyes). UA is providing options where HNL-SFO is in K but SFO-DEN is in S, the SFO-DEN flight is currently T9 L9 K1. When I attempt to book these separately it gives me the K fare on both segments, however I can't get it to price this way when booking a through ticket. I don't see anything in the fare rules that states S is the cheapest I can take in conjunction with an HNL flight. Any help is greatly appreciated.
The HNL-SFO fare would be combinable with any SFO-DEN fare on UA. However, the cheapest SFO-DEN fares are not combinable with an HNL-SFO fare unless there's a stopover at SFO.
Here's the end-on-end combination section for SFO-DEN on a K fare. I've bolded relevant passages.
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DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS NOT PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC/ INTERNATIONAL FARES FROM/TO VENEZUELA. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMBINATIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY 4TH LEVEL ECONOMY UNRESTRICTED-TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER UA. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC FARES BETWEEN BOS AND MSS/BETWEEN BNA AND MSL/ BETWEEN LAX AND MCE/BETWEEN DFW AND GLH/BETWEEN MCE AND SAC/BETWEEN ABQ AND CNM/BETWEEN ATL AND MSL/ BETWEEN IWD AND MSP/BETWEEN CEZ AND PHX/BETWEEN CNM AND DFW/BETWEEN PHX AND SOW/BETWEEN BNA AND GLH. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER 4B IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. STOPOVER REQUIRED AT FARE BREAK POINT. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/3M/KG IN RULE ECC2/ECW2/UPP1 IN TARIFF DR01 - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF CPR - BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES-CANADA DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES FBRNAPV - WITHIN NORTH AMERICA VPCR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-CANADA VPDR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-THE USA. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMBINATIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER 9K IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS A MAXIMUM OF 2 FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE SHORTEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT. PROVIDED - WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS -BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND CANADA/BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND PUERTO RICO/BETWEEN CANADA AND PUERTO RICO/BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS/ BETWEEN CANADA AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS OR BETWEEN PUERTO RICO AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS -WITHIN UNITED STATES/WITHIN PUERTO RICO OR WITHIN US VIRGIN ISLANDS COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/3M/4B/KG/9K IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF. 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/ 3M/4B/KG/9K IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF. MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS STOPOVER REQUIRED AT FARE BREAK POINT. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/ 3M/4B/KG/9K IN RULE ECC2/ECW2/UPP1 IN TARIFF DR01 - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF CPR - BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES-CANADA DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES FBRNAPV - WITHIN NORTH AMERICA VPCR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-CANADA VPDR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-THE USA. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT - BUR-LAX BUR-ONT BUR-SNA BWI-WAS EFD-HOU EFD-IAH EWR-HPN EWR-HVN EWR-ISP EWR-NYC FLL-MIA FLL-PBI HVN-HPN HVN-ISP HVN-NYC IAD-DCA ISP-HPN ISP-NYC LAX-ONT LAX-SNA LGA-JFK MDW-ORD MIA-PBI NYC-HPN OAK-SFO OAK-SJC ONT-SNA SFO-SJC
I won't bore you with the L or T fares -- suffice it to say that I spot checked a few of them, and they all have the same restriction, as does SAA3OWEN, a cheaper S fare.
Here are the rules for SAA1AKEN, which combines successfully:
Code:
DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS NOT PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC/ INTERNATIONAL FARES FROM/TO VENEZUELA. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMBINATIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY 4TH LEVEL ECONOMY UNRESTRICTED-TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER UA. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC FARES BETWEEN BOS AND MSS/BETWEEN BNA AND MSL/ BETWEEN LAX AND MCE/BETWEEN DFW AND GLH/BETWEEN MCE AND SAC/BETWEEN ABQ AND CNM/BETWEEN ATL AND MSL/ BETWEEN IWD AND MSP/BETWEEN CEZ AND PHX/BETWEEN CNM AND DFW/BETWEEN PHX AND SOW/BETWEEN BNA AND GLH. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER 4B IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMBINATIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/3M/KG/9K IN RULE ECC2/ECW2/UPP1 IN TARIFF DR01 - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF CDR - WITHIN CANADA CPR - BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES-CANADA DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/3M IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF FBRINPV - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 1/2/3 FBRNAPV - WITHIN NORTH AMERICA IPRW - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 1 VPCR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-CANADA VPDR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-THE USA. COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER UA/LH/AC/LX/VO/SN OR FOR CARRIER OS IN ANY RULE FOR TRAVEL VIA THE ATLANTIC. COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER UA/NH IN ANY RULE FOR TRAVEL VIA THE PACIFIC. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS A MAXIMUM OF 2 FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE SHORTEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT. PROVIDED - WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS -BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND CANADA/BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND PUERTO RICO/BETWEEN CANADA AND PUERTO RICO/BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS/ BETWEEN CANADA AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS OR BETWEEN PUERTO RICO AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS -WITHIN UNITED STATES/WITHIN PUERTO RICO OR WITHIN US VIRGIN ISLANDS COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/3M/KG/9K IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF. 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/ 3M/KG/9K IN ANY RULE IN ANY TARIFF. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT - BUR-LAX BUR-ONT BUR-SNA BWI-WAS EFD-HOU EFD-IAH EWR-HPN EWR-HVN EWR-ISP EWR-NYC FLL-MIA FLL-PBI HVN-HPN HVN-ISP HVN-NYC IAD-DCA ISP-HPN ISP-NYC LAX-ONT LAX-SNA LGA-JFK MDW-ORD MIA-PBI NYC-HPN OAK-SFO OAK-SJC ONT-SNA SFO-SJC
Incidentally, Kacee is correct that there isn't a (one-way) K fare published on HNL-DEN. Excluding 60-day advanced purchase fares, which aren't useful for October travel, the cheapest through fare is a V, which is why it's coming up with these broken fares in the first place.
OP: You can try multi-city search, but since this is a combinability issue, not an inventory issue, it's unlikely you can evade this rule. You could purchase separate tickets, but understand that a flight delay out of HNL could make it very expensive to get to DEN -- you might end up needing to pay the walk-up fare.
Sep 2, 2021, 10:53 pm
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You can try multi-city search, but since this is a combinability issue, not an inventory issue, it's unlikely you can evade this rule. You could purchase separate tickets, but understand that a flight delay out of HNL could make it very expensive to get to DEN -- you might end up needing to pay the walk-up fare.
Wouldn't it be possible to have a four-hour (or longer) "stopover" on a single ticket, and then hang out at the United Club?
Sep 2, 2021, 11:04 pm
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jsloan , you should go work at the Rate Desk. (!)
Someone with status could book the long layover and attempt a same-day change, although K inventory hub-to-hub doesn't seem like something that would be plentiful.
Sep 3, 2021, 1:59 pm
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OK, so I think what's happening is this:
The HNL-SFO fare would be combinable with any SFO-DEN fare on UA. However, the cheapest SFO-DEN fares are not combinable with an HNL-SFO fare unless there's a stopover at SFO.
Here's the end-on-end combination section for SFO-DEN on a K fare. I've bolded relevant passages.
UA doesn't appear to publish 4th Level Economy Unrestricted fares between HNL and SFO, and, if they did, a K fare wouldn't be 4th level -- it'd be 7th or 8th level. So, the first rule doesn't help, and you proceed. The rule and tariff conditions for the other block match, but it's requiring a stopover. That's why you can get two K fares if you have a long enough layover, but it upgrades to K/S for convenient connections.
I won't bore you with the L or T fares -- suffice it to say that I spot checked a few of them, and they all have the same restriction, as does SAA3OWEN, a cheaper S fare.
Here are the rules for SAA1AKEN, which combines successfully:
The K fare for HNL-SFO is in tariff DFR, and they've removed the stopover requirement. Therefore, this S fare is combinable with the HNL-SFO K fare, and that's why this combination will price while the others won't.
Incidentally, Kacee is correct that there isn't a (one-way) K fare published on HNL-DEN. Excluding 60-day advanced purchase fares, which aren't useful for October travel, the cheapest through fare is a V, which is why it's coming up with these broken fares in the first place.
OP: You can try multi-city search, but since this is a combinability issue, not an inventory issue, it's unlikely you can evade this rule. You could purchase separate tickets, but understand that a flight delay out of HNL could make it very expensive to get to DEN -- you might end up needing to pay the walk-up fare.
The HNL-SFO fare would be combinable with any SFO-DEN fare on UA. However, the cheapest SFO-DEN fares are not combinable with an HNL-SFO fare unless there's a stopover at SFO.
Here's the end-on-end combination section for SFO-DEN on a K fare. I've bolded relevant passages.
Code:
DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS NOT PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC/ INTERNATIONAL FARES FROM/TO VENEZUELA. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMBINATIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY 4TH LEVEL ECONOMY UNRESTRICTED-TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER UA. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC FARES BETWEEN BOS AND MSS/BETWEEN BNA AND MSL/ BETWEEN LAX AND MCE/BETWEEN DFW AND GLH/BETWEEN MCE AND SAC/BETWEEN ABQ AND CNM/BETWEEN ATL AND MSL/ BETWEEN IWD AND MSP/BETWEEN CEZ AND PHX/BETWEEN CNM AND DFW/BETWEEN PHX AND SOW/BETWEEN BNA AND GLH. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER 4B IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. STOPOVER REQUIRED AT FARE BREAK POINT. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/3M/KG IN RULE ECC2/ECW2/UPP1 IN TARIFF DR01 - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF CPR - BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES-CANADA DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES FBRNAPV - WITHIN NORTH AMERICA VPCR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-CANADA VPDR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-THE USA. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMBINATIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER 9K IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS A MAXIMUM OF 2 FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE SHORTEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT. PROVIDED - WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS -BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND CANADA/BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND PUERTO RICO/BETWEEN CANADA AND PUERTO RICO/BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS/ BETWEEN CANADA AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS OR BETWEEN PUERTO RICO AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS -WITHIN UNITED STATES/WITHIN PUERTO RICO OR WITHIN US VIRGIN ISLANDS COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/3M/4B/KG/9K IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF. 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/ 3M/4B/KG/9K IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF. MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS STOPOVER REQUIRED AT FARE BREAK POINT. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/ 3M/4B/KG/9K IN RULE ECC2/ECW2/UPP1 IN TARIFF DR01 - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF CPR - BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES-CANADA DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES FBRNAPV - WITHIN NORTH AMERICA VPCR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-CANADA VPDR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-THE USA. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT - BUR-LAX BUR-ONT BUR-SNA BWI-WAS EFD-HOU EFD-IAH EWR-HPN EWR-HVN EWR-ISP EWR-NYC FLL-MIA FLL-PBI HVN-HPN HVN-ISP HVN-NYC IAD-DCA ISP-HPN ISP-NYC LAX-ONT LAX-SNA LGA-JFK MDW-ORD MIA-PBI NYC-HPN OAK-SFO OAK-SJC ONT-SNA SFO-SJC
I won't bore you with the L or T fares -- suffice it to say that I spot checked a few of them, and they all have the same restriction, as does SAA3OWEN, a cheaper S fare.
Here are the rules for SAA1AKEN, which combines successfully:
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DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS NOT PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC/ INTERNATIONAL FARES FROM/TO VENEZUELA. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMBINATIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY 4TH LEVEL ECONOMY UNRESTRICTED-TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER UA. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC FARES BETWEEN BOS AND MSS/BETWEEN BNA AND MSL/ BETWEEN LAX AND MCE/BETWEEN DFW AND GLH/BETWEEN MCE AND SAC/BETWEEN ABQ AND CNM/BETWEEN ATL AND MSL/ BETWEEN IWD AND MSP/BETWEEN CEZ AND PHX/BETWEEN CNM AND DFW/BETWEEN PHX AND SOW/BETWEEN BNA AND GLH. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER 4B IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMBINATIONS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/3M/KG/9K IN RULE ECC2/ECW2/UPP1 IN TARIFF DR01 - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF CDR - WITHIN CANADA CPR - BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES-CANADA DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/3M IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF FBRINPV - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 1/2/3 FBRNAPV - WITHIN NORTH AMERICA IPRW - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 1 VPCR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-CANADA VPDR - BETWEEN PUERTO RICO/VIRGIN ISLANDS-THE USA. COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER UA/LH/AC/LX/VO/SN OR FOR CARRIER OS IN ANY RULE FOR TRAVEL VIA THE ATLANTIC. COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER UA/NH IN ANY RULE FOR TRAVEL VIA THE PACIFIC. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS A MAXIMUM OF 2 FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE SHORTEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT. PROVIDED - WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS -BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND CANADA/BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND PUERTO RICO/BETWEEN CANADA AND PUERTO RICO/BETWEEN UNITED STATES AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS/ BETWEEN CANADA AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS OR BETWEEN PUERTO RICO AND US VIRGIN ISLANDS -WITHIN UNITED STATES/WITHIN PUERTO RICO OR WITHIN US VIRGIN ISLANDS COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/3M/KG/9K IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF. 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER UA/AC/ 3M/KG/9K IN ANY RULE IN ANY TARIFF. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT - BUR-LAX BUR-ONT BUR-SNA BWI-WAS EFD-HOU EFD-IAH EWR-HPN EWR-HVN EWR-ISP EWR-NYC FLL-MIA FLL-PBI HVN-HPN HVN-ISP HVN-NYC IAD-DCA ISP-HPN ISP-NYC LAX-ONT LAX-SNA LGA-JFK MDW-ORD MIA-PBI NYC-HPN OAK-SFO OAK-SJC ONT-SNA SFO-SJC
Incidentally, Kacee is correct that there isn't a (one-way) K fare published on HNL-DEN. Excluding 60-day advanced purchase fares, which aren't useful for October travel, the cheapest through fare is a V, which is why it's coming up with these broken fares in the first place.
OP: You can try multi-city search, but since this is a combinability issue, not an inventory issue, it's unlikely you can evade this rule. You could purchase separate tickets, but understand that a flight delay out of HNL could make it very expensive to get to DEN -- you might end up needing to pay the walk-up fare.
We did try to price it as a multi-city but it still kept the same price as the through fare. I could maybe try Multi-City with the SFO-DEN flight the following day (creating a stopover) then changing the second leg to the day before, that could work but for like $60 I am going to say it isn't worth it and they don't want separate tickets
