Great Global Services article in the WSJ 23-Aug-2013
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UA is great if you are a GS; It's tolerable if you are 1K and slightly tolerable if you are Plat or Gold. Anything else it's A MISERABLE airline. I've flown 5 LCC's this year in Y on small Intl runs and can't think of any of them being worse than UA if you are not able to access E+ as an elite.
This about sums it up perfectly! ^
The problem is that all airlines are miserable in Y. E+ and the rapidly shrinking ability to upgrade to C in Intl is the only thing that keeps us 1K's from sinking into a horrible pit of despair...
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#63
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I found it interesting that one of the featured travelers is a university science professor (my biz). Although many of us travel a lot for work we are not usually in the wheelhouse for GS given that most of our travel is funded by grants or institutional funds which usually have pretty rigid class of service restrictions associated with them (I actually think that UA appeals to many of us for this reason and because of UAs relatively generous portfolio of domestic and intl UG strategies). Wonder how much the journalist was involved in selection of these interviewees, vs UA who might have offered up individuals from specific sectors they wanted to 'reach out' to? Either way this comes across as not much more than weakly veiled marketing.
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The reporter undoubtedly relied on United to source "example" GSers. Airline PR types would have asked them in advance if they minded being profiled. So the case studies suit United's agenda first and foremost.
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United also now is soliciting Global Services members' opinions. The airline recently invited several dozen to its headquarters in Chicago's Willis Tower for their feedback on new seats. They scrutinized the placement of cup holders and power outlets and requested more padding and better reading lights.
This is the first confirmation I have seen that new seats are coming. The arms race continues. Good. Serves UA right for jacking up D fares, introducing P, and thereby making GPUs useless.And I might add that it was not just GS, some 1Ks were invited as well.
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"1K's standing in line for an hour" NOT!
This is a real insult to FT1Ks who know how to call the over-entitled Premier Line for help as soon as the wheels hit the Tarmac. FT1Ks use all available published and unpublished tools to circumvent GS teams and UACO policies intended to block us from receiving our PUBLISHED benefits.
No it really added insult to injury.
This is a real insult to FT1Ks who know how to call the over-entitled Premier Line for help as soon as the wheels hit the Tarmac. FT1Ks use all available published and unpublished tools to circumvent GS teams and UACO policies intended to block us from receiving our PUBLISHED benefits.
No it really added insult to injury.
Flew LH (no status) out of ORD recently. LH agent met me at the GFL, escorted me to the gate, pre-boarded.... and ORD isn't even an LH hub. (At FRA, FCL/FCT makes UA lounges/service in ORD seem like a pig sty.) On board, LH hard and soft product in a different universe than UA ......which is why I've flown 150k miles this year on LH/NH/TG/SQ and only 40k miles on UA.
The folks at Wacker Drive don't have a clue. The only thing UA has left going for it is good award redemption.
The folks at Wacker Drive don't have a clue. The only thing UA has left going for it is good award redemption.
On my 10 years ago life: I was primarily in Europe and HON Circle on LH ; PRIOR to being HON Circle I was treated by LH staff in LHR and FRA + MUC exceptionally - HON circle was even better but the baseline product was miles ahead of UA being a 1K back then.
Hmmm, miss the 1K rooms; used to use the DEN one a lot!
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#68
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Hopefully with the general revenue requirement for status in general, UA will improve service for the more pedestrian varieties of elites. That story included a sad quote regarding the poor treatment of 1K's in IRROPS. Just because they provide excellent service to GS doesn't mean they should throw everyone else under the bus.
I don't agree with the article's assertion that 1K's get poor treatment. In general I've been treated very well even during IRROPS where gate and reservation agents have been courteous and helpful. My upgrades clear about 90% of the time, that means 90% of the time I'm sitting in the exact same cabin as the GS guy or gal who boarded before me.
Be comforted in knowing there are many, many others looking through their own candy store windows at US
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I was thinking the same thing. I love DSM and have flown a bunch in and out of there. But this story would have been far different if it had been about the perks of GS in Des Moines, where there is no lounge, no GS checkin, no elite security line and certainly no Benz. And being GS doesn't keep your flight on a sexy E145 operated by ExpressJet from getting cancelled. (Of today's six DSM-ORD segments, two were 20+ minutes late arriving and a third was cancelled. Par for the course.)
That's not a quarrel with the story. But I chuckled to see that the person in the story's lead - a story about the highest of the high rollers - wasn't a movie star flying p.s. twice a week but a livestock biotech exexutive flying on regional jets out of Iowa elbow-to-elbow with the guy who makes 1P on segments.
ETA: Maybe there is a triple top secret GS lounge at DSM. Twist the barrel at the Templeton Rye display and a secret door opens....
That's not a quarrel with the story. But I chuckled to see that the person in the story's lead - a story about the highest of the high rollers - wasn't a movie star flying p.s. twice a week but a livestock biotech exexutive flying on regional jets out of Iowa elbow-to-elbow with the guy who makes 1P on segments.
ETA: Maybe there is a triple top secret GS lounge at DSM. Twist the barrel at the Templeton Rye display and a secret door opens....
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In the last two weeks, I've had the following happen as a GS. All were domestic flights
-CPU to first on every segment, even on flights with only F1
-A GS agent call me as I was approaching a security line while running very late, hold an early morning departure flight, have the closed door reopen when I got to the gate, vacate my F seat, then show me to my seat
-GS proactively invite me to a GFL after my flight was delayed for about 90 min
-Having a whole team of GS agents cheer me on to catch a close flight. After calling the airport to let them know I was still ten minutes from the curb and wouldnt make my flight, the agent insisted that I would make it. As soon as I stepped out of the cab, a waiting GS agent asked me to follow him, handed me my BP, walked me to the front of the elite line. Once through another GS agent was signaling to hurry and go that way, pointing to yet another GS agent already signaling to come on. I jogged down and thanked him as i apprached my gate. As soon as I got to to the gate, another GS agent thanked me by name, scanned my BP, then walked me to the door, which then closed immediately.
-A GS agent called my cell to ask when I'd make it to the gate before boarding. As I approached she recognized me immediately and then pre boarded me prior to any announcements
And this is business as usual. Guess not all the GS get the full treatment.
-CPU to first on every segment, even on flights with only F1
-A GS agent call me as I was approaching a security line while running very late, hold an early morning departure flight, have the closed door reopen when I got to the gate, vacate my F seat, then show me to my seat
-GS proactively invite me to a GFL after my flight was delayed for about 90 min
-Having a whole team of GS agents cheer me on to catch a close flight. After calling the airport to let them know I was still ten minutes from the curb and wouldnt make my flight, the agent insisted that I would make it. As soon as I stepped out of the cab, a waiting GS agent asked me to follow him, handed me my BP, walked me to the front of the elite line. Once through another GS agent was signaling to hurry and go that way, pointing to yet another GS agent already signaling to come on. I jogged down and thanked him as i apprached my gate. As soon as I got to to the gate, another GS agent thanked me by name, scanned my BP, then walked me to the door, which then closed immediately.
-A GS agent called my cell to ask when I'd make it to the gate before boarding. As I approached she recognized me immediately and then pre boarded me prior to any announcements
And this is business as usual. Guess not all the GS get the full treatment.
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I don't agree with the article's assertion that 1K's get poor treatment. In general I've been treated very well even during IRROPS where gate and reservation agents have been courteous and helpful. My upgrades clear about 90% of the time, that means 90% of the time I'm sitting in the exact same cabin as the GS guy or gal who boarded before me.
Speaking of proactive (NOT), I was automatically offloaded on my connection by SHARES due to the original flight delay, I guess it just assumed I would not make it. Must be nice to be GS and have people tracking your movements - even better to have a cart waiting instead of doing the 20m dash from terminal C to E. Fortunately my original C/F seat wasn't reassigned, so all ended well. But it is stuff like that you someone would catch.
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I can understand why the 1% think this is great, but I can't understand how highlighting the gulf in a national newspaper helps United's already-terrible image with the public at large.
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I think that just highlights the two-Uniteds problem that irritates 99% of the airline's customers. Fawning priority treatment for a few, including those who know the workarounds; indifferent service, often including lying, for the vast majority (including most elites from a pure-numerical standpoint).
I can understand why the 1% think this is great, but I can't understand how highlighting the gulf in a national newspaper helps United's already-terrible image with the public at large.
I can understand why the 1% think this is great, but I can't understand how highlighting the gulf in a national newspaper helps United's already-terrible image with the public at large.
Furthermore it feels like that priority treatment has dropped from maybe 10% earlier down to the 1% now (or perhaps from 1% down to .1%). Continuing the "worst of both worlds" merger theme, the CO management has actually exacerbated the elitist divide that they used to complain about at UA, thereby alienating most of the former elites without doing anything to help the remaining masses.
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Furthermore it feels like that priority treatment has dropped from maybe 10% earlier down to the 1% now (or perhaps from 1% down to .1%). Continuing the "worst of both worlds" merger theme, the CO management has actually exacerbated the elitist divide that they used to complain about at UA, thereby alienating most of the former elites without doing anything to help the remaining masses.