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UA has the 6th Oldest Airline Fleet (average)

UA has the 6th Oldest Airline Fleet (average)

Old Aug 15, 13, 10:23 am
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UA has the 6th Oldest Airline Fleet (average)

The current UA fleet has an average of 13.7 years; will likely drop fairly significantly with the announced and all-but-certain retirements (757, 747, oldest of the 73X and A32X).

1 Allegiant Air 23.0
2 Delta Air Lines 15.8
3 Aeromexico 15.2
4 Southwest Airlines 14.7 (Edit - roughly tied with American Airlines)
5 US Airways 14.6
6 United Airlines 13.7
7 Cathay Pacific 13.0
8 Asiana Airlines 12.6
9 Lufthansa 12.4
10 Norwegian Air Shuttle 12.3
11 Thai Airways International 12.2
12 Air France 11.5
13 EVA Air 11.3
13 Garuda Indonesia 11.3
15 Air New Zealand 11.2
15 Japan Airlines 11.2
15 Philippine Airlines 11.2
18 China Airlines 11.0
19 Alaska Airlines 10.6
20 Hainan Airlines 10.1
21 Korean Air 9.9
22 ANA - All Nippon Airways 9.8
23 Gol 9.5
24 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 9.4
25 WestJet 9.3
26 Aeroflot Russian Airlines 8.9
27 Air China 8.7
28 Turkish Airlines 8.4
29 Avianca 8.0
30 China Eastern Airlines 7.5
30 China Southern Airlines 7.5
30 Singapore Airlines 7.5
33 Virgin Australia 7.1
34 Qatar Airways 7.0
35 Copa Airlines 6.5
36 LAN Airlines 6.1
37 TACA International Airlines 6.0
38 Spirit Airlines 5.7
39 Ryanair 5.0
40 JetBlue Airways 4.7
41 EasyJet 4.0
42 Air Arabia 3.0
42 AirAsia 3.0

Source: Bloomberg; Planespotters.net for AA data

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Old Aug 15, 13, 10:29 am
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Old Aug 15, 13, 10:33 am
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Interesting question. Bloomberg doesn't have them on their list. Planespotters.net lists them at 14.7 years, which would place them as a tie with Southwest Airlines.
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Old Aug 15, 13, 10:36 am
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Yeah, not sure how I feel about this list since they seem to have forgotten a legacy carrier.
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Old Aug 15, 13, 10:41 am
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The disclaimer from Bloomberg on the list states the following:

Public airlines with market capitalizations of at least $1 billion were considered. Air France and KLM were ranked separately, as were Avianca and Taca. Each pair of airlines operates under the same company. Averages included both passenger and cargo planes, except for Singapore Airlines and Lufthansa, which included only passenger planes. Although AMR Corp. had a market cap of $510 million as of December 31, 2012, and wasn't included, American Airlines' fleet averaged 16.6 years and American Eagle Airlines' fleet averaged 9.6.


Doesn't mention why they didn't include this in the chart, but maybe it was just due to the way the information was presented in the 10-K.

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Old Aug 15, 13, 10:45 am
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Thanks for the information, but what was the point of this thread?
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Old Aug 15, 13, 10:46 am
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Old airlines fleets don't both me as a passenger. I think the worst thing about them is their efficiency, so I suppose it affects the bottom line.

But in terms of comfort, it's a non-issue. And in terms of safety.... With rare exception, I don't know of accidents that have occurred because of the age of a plane.
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Old Aug 15, 13, 10:47 am
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My Delta is #2.

Originally Posted by CrazyInteg View Post
Thanks for the information, but what was the point of this thread?
It is interesting to see how the airlines stack up against each other. I like seeing it.

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Old Aug 15, 13, 10:51 am
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Funny, I'd much rather fly #7, #8 or #9 than #41, #42 or #43...
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Old Aug 15, 13, 10:57 am
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Originally Posted by zrs70 View Post
But in terms of comfort, it's a non-issue.
They can retrofit interiors to modern designs, but in general, older planes tend to have less sound insulation and older fuselage/engine designs that can lead to higher noise levels. Also, depending on the refurbishment, the older planes may not have HEPA and UV air filtration systems. In the case of the A380/787, there are actually higher cabin humidity levels as well.
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Old Aug 15, 13, 12:36 pm
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Curious. Where is British Airways?
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Old Aug 15, 13, 12:47 pm
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I'd be a lot more interested in the years of experience/quality of training of the folks on the flight deck ranked by airline.
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Old Aug 15, 13, 12:50 pm
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Gee, where did all the PMUA cheerleaders go? PMCO had a fairly young fleet; the PMUA fleet did a good job of pushing that average way way up.

Originally Posted by JC1120 View Post
They can retrofit interiors to modern designs, but in general, older planes tend to have less sound insulation and older fuselage/engine designs that can lead to higher noise levels. Also, depending on the refurbishment, the older planes may not have HEPA and UV air filtration systems. In the case of the A380/787, there are actually higher cabin humidity levels as well.
More frequent MX issues on older planes, too. Allegiant Air suffers heavily from this with their mad dogs. UA's 744 dispatch reliability is atrocious, as well.
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Old Aug 15, 13, 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by zrs70 View Post
Old airlines fleets don't both me as a passenger. I think the worst thing about them is their efficiency, so I suppose it affects the bottom line.

But in terms of comfort, it's a non-issue. And in terms of safety.... With rare exception, I don't know of accidents that have occurred because of the age of a plane.
^ Older airframes well maintained are of no concern to me at all. If anything, they are over-engineered compared to their mocern counterparts.
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Old Aug 15, 13, 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by JC1120 View Post
American Airlines' fleet averaged 16.6 years and American Eagle Airlines' fleet averaged 9.6.
Here's why you don't pick an airline based on age of fleet. You could be sitting on a turbo-prop w my neighbor's kid at the yolk.
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