Aug 17, 2013, 10:44 am
Last edit by: Bitterroot
Updates to Wiki as of 20 January 2014
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
Planned changes in aircraft by date and route:
SFO -- SYD: first 772 departs SFO 27 March; turns to 840 at SYD on 29 March
LAX -- SYD: first 772 departs LAX 29 March; turn off 840-29th.
NRT -- ORD: First 744 departs NRT 27 March (aircraft turn at ORD to PVG and FRA in succession the day following arrival from NRT)
ORD -- NRT: First 744 departs ORD 31 March
ORD -- PVG: First 744 departs ORD 28 March
PVG -- ORD: First 744 departs PVG 29 March
ORD -- FRA: First 744 departs ORD 29 March
FRA -- ORD: First 744 departs FRA 30 March
NRT -- SFO: 852 to operate with 772 27 March through 31 March inclusive (772 coming out of rotation)
Or, you can just go look at the good work here (note that info posted above differs from AIRLINEROUTE info dated 4 January 2014 and before):
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/17/ua-s14update1/
Or, straight to the source if you want to do your own research:
http://www.oag.com/Global
[Confirmed] SYD going UA 3 Cabin 777 in 2014 [and other 747 route changes]
Jan 27, 2014, 9:31 pm
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UA seems to be relying on fortress hubs and a passenger base that has no choice of carriers these days.
Feb 3, 2014, 8:07 pm
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What's up with SYD
Was getting ready to book a D ticket to SYD in March/April and now see that the flights are 777-200's. Where are the 747's going that were on this route, and do they come back.
Not very many F seats for these two long routes.
Thanks in advance for any information.
Thanks,
Kansas Cowboy
Not very many F seats for these two long routes.
Thanks in advance for any information.
Thanks,
Kansas Cowboy
Feb 3, 2014, 8:09 pm
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Yep, 747s are switching to 777s indefinitely. Not many people are buying UA F.
Feb 3, 2014, 8:12 pm
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Was getting ready to book a D ticket to SYD in March/April and now see that the flights are 777-200's. Where are the 747's going that were on this route, and do they come back.
Not very many F seats for these two long routes.
Thanks in advance for any information.
Thanks,
Kansas Cowboy
Not very many F seats for these two long routes.
Thanks in advance for any information.
Thanks,
Kansas Cowboy
When there is competition, UA loses.
UA only has so many captive passengers who are stuck flying UA (either due to living in a fortress hub or due to corporate contracts).
UA can't fill a 744 with those captive passengers, so is downsizing the route to a smaller airplane.
It's all UA knows how to do these days. Well, other than just cut the route.
Feb 3, 2014, 8:22 pm
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Does anybody know where the 747's are going? That opens a lot of options for the equipment.
Feb 3, 2014, 8:25 pm
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SFO-NRT. In retaliation for 2x ORD-NRT, SJC-NRT, and 2x JFK-NRT by ANA in the last year (just my guess)
Feb 3, 2014, 8:40 pm
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Feb 3, 2014, 8:42 pm
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Why would the deploy to NRT be in retaliation to ANA? UA had a joint venture with them across the Pacific, whereby revenue is split.
Originally Posted by 1353513636
SFO-NRT. In retaliation for 2x ORD-NRT, SJC-NRT, and 2x JFK-NRT by ANA in the last year (just my guess)
Feb 3, 2014, 8:44 pm
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Why would the deploy to NRT be in retaliation to ANA? UA had a joint venture with them across the Pacific, whereby revenue is split.
Why would the deploy to NRT be in retaliation to ANA? UA had a joint venture with them across the Pacific, whereby revenue is split.
Feb 3, 2014, 8:45 pm
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There is competition on the SYD route.
When there is competition, UA loses.
UA only has so many captive passengers who are stuck flying UA (either due to living in a fortress hub or due to corporate contracts).
UA can't fill a 744 with those captive passengers, so is downsizing the route to a smaller airplane.
It's all UA knows how to do these days. Well, other than just cut the route.
When there is competition, UA loses.
UA only has so many captive passengers who are stuck flying UA (either due to living in a fortress hub or due to corporate contracts).
UA can't fill a 744 with those captive passengers, so is downsizing the route to a smaller airplane.
It's all UA knows how to do these days. Well, other than just cut the route.
it's a massive upgrade in hard product for the majority of pax on the route - that might actually bring UA closer to being competitive. All they've really done is cut out the majority of the upgrade capacity so they're left with a much higher percentage of paying passengers.
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Feb 3, 2014, 8:45 pm
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Because UA and NH determined there was a demand for that capacity.
Feb 3, 2014, 10:13 pm
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They have more seats than they need on the 744 so they are reducing capacity so they can maintain higher fare buckets for the passengers who still insist on flying UA.
All they've really done is cut out the majority of the upgrade capacity so they're left with a much higher percentage of paying passengers.
Feb 3, 2014, 10:29 pm
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UA also currently has a 744 going SFO - LHR. Does anyone know what's planned for this flight?
FWIW, I flew UA's 744 SFO-SYD last year in business, and thoroughly enjoyed it (the upper deck was nice). I actually thought the service, food and hard product were all quite good - in fact I was pleasantly surprised.
I'm now eying options to get from the US west coast to London in business (on an award flight), and one of the flights I'm currently considering is that 744 SFO-LHR route. My proposed flight dates are still a long ways out though, and I'm wondering if when I go, will they still have that 744 with it's nice, quiet little upstairs C cabin.
Does anyone here know about the prospects for the 744 on this route?
Thanks.
FWIW, I flew UA's 744 SFO-SYD last year in business, and thoroughly enjoyed it (the upper deck was nice). I actually thought the service, food and hard product were all quite good - in fact I was pleasantly surprised.
I'm now eying options to get from the US west coast to London in business (on an award flight), and one of the flights I'm currently considering is that 744 SFO-LHR route. My proposed flight dates are still a long ways out though, and I'm wondering if when I go, will they still have that 744 with it's nice, quiet little upstairs C cabin.
Does anyone here know about the prospects for the 744 on this route?
Thanks.
Feb 4, 2014, 12:24 am
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UA also currently has a 744 going SFO - LHR. Does anyone know what's planned for this flight?
FWIW, I flew UA's 744 SFO-SYD last year in business, and thoroughly enjoyed it (the upper deck was nice). I actually thought the service, food and hard product were all quite good - in fact I was pleasantly surprised.
I'm now eying options to get from the US west coast to London in business (on an award flight), and one of the flights I'm currently considering is that 744 SFO-LHR route. My proposed flight dates are still a long ways out though, and I'm wondering if when I go, will they still have that 744 with it's nice, quiet little upstairs C cabin.
Does anyone here know about the prospects for the 744 on this route?
Thanks.
FWIW, I flew UA's 744 SFO-SYD last year in business, and thoroughly enjoyed it (the upper deck was nice). I actually thought the service, food and hard product were all quite good - in fact I was pleasantly surprised.
I'm now eying options to get from the US west coast to London in business (on an award flight), and one of the flights I'm currently considering is that 744 SFO-LHR route. My proposed flight dates are still a long ways out though, and I'm wondering if when I go, will they still have that 744 with it's nice, quiet little upstairs C cabin.
Does anyone here know about the prospects for the 744 on this route?
Thanks.
Feb 23, 2014, 10:45 pm
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I have just booked award itinerary where there is UA839 F LAX-SYD for 3 people. It is on a 777.
Can anyone advise which configuration of 777 is the correct version in seatguru? Is the F seat and service that bad on this route? I have never flown UA F/J before. I am trying to compare it with NZ/OZ/TG/SQ/CA/VS/CX J/F.
Can anyone advise which configuration of 777 is the correct version in seatguru? Is the F seat and service that bad on this route? I have never flown UA F/J before. I am trying to compare it with NZ/OZ/TG/SQ/CA/VS/CX J/F.
